2011 Toyota Yaris Hybrid

[supmet]

Originally Posted by roxy1

http://www.ecogeek.org/content/view/1875/69/

But increasing the mileage of a 15 mpg car to 20 mpg, saves as much gasoline (and carbon) as doubling the mileage of a 30 mpg car to 60 mpg.

Increasing the mileage of a 15 mpg car to 20 mpg or from 30 mpg to 60 mpg, saves as much gasoline (and carbon) as increasing the mileage of a 60 mpg car to a trillion mpg.

Same gas savings for going from 5 to 5.4545 as well. Diminishing returns are a bitch

:D

[ChinoCharles]

You guys do know that hybrids don't do as well on highways, right?

I'm shooting for 38-40 highway and maybe 55 city. That would be AWESOME.

[Shroomster]

Originally Posted by ChinoCharles

You guys do know that hybrids don't do as well on highways, right?

I'm shooting for 38-40 highway and maybe 55 city. That would be AWESOME.

maybe it will be a true hybrid and will use the ecu to control the propulsion system in such a way that maybe 50 mph and under it is total battery power with brake regeneration and then anything over that is all motor with alternator supplying juice for battery regeneration....

[LtNoogie]

Can you supercharge a hybrid Yaris?

[Twistoffate0817]

I cant wait to see what it looks like and how much mpg it gets! :D

[nemelek]

I would rather buy an IQ.

[PetersRedYaris]

I bet it will be the sedan, sadly...

[tetzyamis]

Originally Posted by PetersRedYaris

I bet it will be the sedan, sadly...

I automatically thought is will be hatch because of the picture they used.
But you're right!!! They probably will use sedan... considering the space for the battery.

[Rain]

Probably my next car
But hopefully it's not a sedan!

[Pars]

Yep, Toyota is going to need to figure out a way to cheapen their Hybrid system to compete with Honda. The fact the Hybrid system can take the pressure off the engine and run all the accessories, instead of putting that load on the engine is a huge bonus (something that should be included in all cars). Now that batteries are getting better, it's a no brainer.

What would be cool, something that Honda couldn't simulate with their Hybrid system, is to have the system drive the rear wheel and make the car an AWD. Given the Yaris already had excellent dynamic while on the go, but crappy traction on the take-off, and extra set of driving wheel would be a huge bonus. Also, the extra take-off power might go a long way towards giving the car a better clutch feel (manual transmission). Also, a manual Yaris that's getting extra power from a hybrid system can be good setup to take on Honda's new CRZ. Or, Toyota can spend tons of money to build a car from scratch to take on CRZ, which would also be cool.

[voodoo22]

The Insight II doesn't impress me. Toyota's Prius II beats it on all fronts but initial cost. That's why they're selling the old Prius at the same price as the Insight II in Japan, because they can match the price point of Honda and still beat the Insight II at FE.

Honda stopped mating their hybrid system with a manual transmission, because too many people who own MT don't know how to drive them and they were killing the battery pack. I doubt we'll see anything but AT's and CVT's on hybrids going forward.

What's great about Honda's efforts is they are making Toyota wake up and take notice that if they don't start competing in this sector of the market, they will lose their stranglehold on it. Case in point, the CRZ concept is forcing Toyota to revive an MR2 concept to compete with it and the Insight II's lower price is forcing Toyota to lower the price of the Prius II and continue to offer the old Prius in Japan until they have a more direct competitor available in their lineup.

[Pars]

I'm looking forward to the CRZ. I used to own a CRX and I miss the laid back driving position and the interior's look and feel. The new CRZ's interior is suppose to be modeled after the old CRX. It'll make for an interesting setup..

MR2 Hybrid, with an engine in the rear? Now that's even more interesting. I love it when one of manufactures raises the bar.

[mr. poopyhead]

gas mileage? just give us the D-4D already!

[ka0sx]

I dont care hybrid systems are non cost efficient and do not in fact help the environment.

[roxy1]

Originally Posted by ka0sx

I dont care hybrid systems are non cost efficient and do not in fact help the environment.

absolutely correct. you know when you ask people : "what weighs more, a pound of feathers or a pound of lead?", you will get some people who will respond, "the lead." well, i swear if you asked, what would you rather drive to get good mileage and save the environment, a 50 mpg hybrid or a 50 mpg gas engine car?" you would get plenty of "give me the hybrid" answers.

the fact is, that hybrid will most definitely have a bigger (negative) impact on the environment due to production/disposal issues. i dont get all the hybrid hype. i dont know if they will ever really justify their extra costs. it would take 100,000 miles of driving to save only $1560 by getting 50 mpg instead of 36 mpg. add $1560 to the current yaris price, and all that does is break even, but you know a yaris hybrid will be considereably more than that.

id rather have them concentrate their efforts on making gas engine cars lighter and more efficient and bringing us some truly high mileage deisel vehicles.

imo, hybrids are just a band-aid to the true future of vehicles. (fuel cels, electric, etc...).

[ka0sx]

Originally Posted by roxy1

id rather have them concentrate their efforts on making gas engine cars lighter and more efficient and bringing us some truly high mileage deisel vehicles.

If the government released back the patents of the turbine drive that it bought from Chrysler in the 70's hybrids would actually be a good thing. The Chrysler turbine drive put down 400 hp in the high end and still got 28mpg, but had issues with slow take off as it lacked torque in the low end. However this system with the advances in turbine technology will push 39-46mpg on a 200hp turbine, with a hybrid transmission synergy system you eliminate the no torque at low end problem as electric motors have max. torque at the low end the added benefit of it being a hybrid system is it would be pushing 60mpg depending on which fuel you decide to pump and quite more on a light car such as something weighing 2400lbs and not 4000lbs like what the engine was originally in. These turbine systems had the benefits of being efficient, low polluting, did not need much oil, maintenance free, and could burn any combustible liquid as fuel (diesel, gasoline, whiskey...)

[roxy1]

the Polo is coming here

http://www.worldcarfans.com/9090116....ding-to-the-us

the quesdtion is: which version will we get. i love the looks of the new polo and will be all over it if the mileage , price, and warranty are acceptable. that's a big if.

[voodoo22]

Originally Posted by roxy1

the Polo is coming here

http://www.worldcarfans.com/9090116....ding-to-the-us

the quesdtion is: which version will we get. i love the looks of the new polo and will be all over it if the mileage , price, and warranty are acceptable. that's a big if.

That's it. I'm not excited about the new Polo until I see pulling of the same numbers as the one current in Europe. VW has confirmed that the US version of the Polo will be in sedan and 5 door form, longer wheelbase and higher roofline. That the Polo in Europe is too small for Americans. hopefully they don't think Canadians are too fat for the real Polo either, even though we are just as fat as the US.