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why? · 12-14-2009, 02:37 PM

Learning to drive it is the most important part. Garm was running about 220 hp in his estimation, and he admittedly isn't an autocross specialist. His times will get a lot better if he chooses to practice.

That is what you need to do to. Any real racing needs practice. You should prolly gut your interior first. Take everything out you don't need, including interior pieces and rear seat. You should learn to really drive, autocross helps.

If you are just talking about street racing, get the biggest turbo you can. Cash is king there, a great tune & at least 200 - 250 hp is the minimum.

And even then there is no guarantee. Who knows what mods a cooper would have.

Tamago · 12-14-2009, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by why?

You should prolly gut your interior first. Take everything out you don't need, including interior pieces and rear seat. .

worst advice ever, if you want to take autocross seriously.

taking out your rear seat puts you in SM, regardless of ANY of your other mods.

Sabretooth · 12-14-2009, 04:29 PM

Class for Class/Part for Part, youll never be able to beat a Mini...The Yaris just wasnt built to do so.

Only way you can beat a Mini, is staying in H-stock, and trying to work within the rulebook to keep yourself "port-modded but stock", tidbit from Tamago...

Yet again a Mini could do the same thing, then your SOL

Tamago · 12-14-2009, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Sabretooth

Class for Class/Part for Part, youll never be able to beat a Mini...The Yaris just wasnt built to do so.

Only way you can beat a Mini, is staying in H-stock, and trying to work within the rulebook to keep yourself "port-modded but stock", tidbit from Tamago...

Yet again a Mini could do the same thing, then your SOL

what needs to happen is a re-classing by the SCCA. there are far too many uncapable cars that are lumped into bottom-of-the-barrel stock class (H) and the quick cars still in HS are dominating.

want to hear a funny one? Scion tC is an HS car :wtf:

ozmdd · 12-14-2009, 02:53 PM

If you are trying to win at street racing, you are so hopelessly in the wrong vehicle that there isn't any real reason to discuss it. Sure, you can spend $10k making it into a 250 HP beast, but you'll still get whipped by a Mazdaspeed3 with some sticky tires. this is not a drag racing vehicle.

schleppy · 12-14-2009, 02:57 PM

Seat time and luck.

Sabretooth · 12-14-2009, 04:49 PM

Um, Stock, tC's really are crap, lol.

I could see a Yaris and tC being almost equal around a track, only difference is HP/Weight Ratio.

Sabretooth · 12-14-2009, 04:56 PM

Oh and the SCCA has needed a reclassing for years...Either reclass cars properly, not going off just HP, or similar aspects.

OR

Create classing for newer smaller cars, because H stock is littered with crap, sorry but true.

Scion Xa, Xb(where allowed), tC , Yaris, Mini Cooper, Hyudai Accent, Kia Rio, Chevy Aveo, Honda Fit, probably the Ford Fiesta when it gets here...

Throw in cars like the Smart car, and theres more...Who comes out on top, the Mini.

Really?! Does that seem a bit uneven, Yet if you redid the class to take out the Mini, the Yaris would more than likely be the top breadwinner, until the Fiesta gets here.

Tamago · 12-14-2009, 04:57 PM

SMART is banned from SCCA :D

why? · 12-14-2009, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Tamago

SMART is banned from SCCA :D

aww, that stinks, why?

Sabretooth · 12-14-2009, 05:05 PM

aww why not...would be so much fun!

Well at least the Smart Roadster!

Sabretooth · 12-14-2009, 08:14 PM

Probably has something to do with its ultra short wheelbase making its center of gravity too high...

Same reason why many clubs wont allow a Scion Xb to race.

scape · 12-14-2009, 08:43 PM

it'd be cool to see hybrid racing become more prominent, there is just something about basically zero rpm torque that gets me giddy

eht13 · 12-14-2009, 09:59 PM

Interesting thread. I noticed the John Cooper Works MINI on their site recently and was impressed by the numbers... but as Tamago said, the price is pretty steep... starting at $29.5K. Also, interesting comments about the tC. They always look pretty cool to me, but are they basically nothing to get excited about performance-wise?

PHXDEMON · 12-14-2009, 11:16 PM

You could start by swapping in a manual transmission.

Sabretooth · 12-15-2009, 03:13 AM

Only thing that has a perk to the tC and being in H-stock, find a dealership that can "port-install" all the TRD parts, coilovers, intake, sway bar (later add full catback exhaust)... and you can still be in H-stock with all those mods, since they were pre installed before you bought it. Correct me if I am wrong Tamago, but that right there could/should keep you at arms length from a regular Mini (non S), pending tires, etc.

Tamago · 12-15-2009, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sabretooth

Only thing that has a perk to the tC and being in H-stock, find a dealership that can "port-install" all the TRD parts, coilovers, intake, sway bar (later add full catback exhaust)... and you can still be in H-stock with all those mods, since they were pre installed before you bought it. Correct me if I am wrong Tamago, but that right there could/should keep you at arms length from a regular Mini (non S), pending tires, etc.

you can put more tire on the tC for sure, because of the 17X7.5 stock wheel width. 245 40 17 could be achieved.

i'd imagine a properly set up H stock tC would beat the mini, depending on the course design.

cali yaris · 12-15-2009, 12:55 PM

I'm happy with that 54 on my first try. I was letting off a lot, I wanted to finish ONCE without spinning out. LOL.

Let's see what happens over the next few months as I get my speed up, calmness down and the car dialed in a LOT better.

12-14-2009, 02:37 PM	#1
why? Only Happy When it Rains View User's Garage Drives: Yaris LB Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: harnett county NC Posts: 4,097	Learning to drive it is the most important part. Garm was running about 220 hp in his estimation, and he admittedly isn't an autocross specialist. His times will get a lot better if he chooses to practice. That is what you need to do to. Any real racing needs practice. You should prolly gut your interior first. Take everything out you don't need, including interior pieces and rear seat. You should learn to really drive, autocross helps. If you are just talking about street racing, get the biggest turbo you can. Cash is king there, a great tune & at least 200 - 250 hp is the minimum. And even then there is no guarantee. Who knows what mods a cooper would have. __________________ Colin Chapman disciple

12-14-2009, 04:29 PM	#3
Sabretooth 37HSSV View User's Garage Drives: '11 Mazdaspeed 3 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: St Cloud FL Posts: 1,395	Class for Class/Part for Part, youll never be able to beat a Mini...The Yaris just wasnt built to do so. Only way you can beat a Mini, is staying in H-stock, and trying to work within the rulebook to keep yourself "port-modded but stock", tidbit from Tamago... Yet again a Mini could do the same thing, then your SOL __________________ 07 Toyota Yaris Hatchback -sold- 11 Mazdaspeed 3 -SRI/TIP, 3 inch TBI, Custom FMIC, Tuned by Cobb Accessport, HKS ssq2 BOV, Upgraded HPFP- Clean stock look... Killer performance.

12-14-2009, 04:49 PM	#7
Sabretooth 37HSSV View User's Garage Drives: '11 Mazdaspeed 3 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: St Cloud FL Posts: 1,395	Um, Stock, tC's really are crap, lol. I could see a Yaris and tC being almost equal around a track, only difference is HP/Weight Ratio. __________________ 07 Toyota Yaris Hatchback -sold- 11 Mazdaspeed 3 -SRI/TIP, 3 inch TBI, Custom FMIC, Tuned by Cobb Accessport, HKS ssq2 BOV, Upgraded HPFP- Clean stock look... Killer performance.

12-14-2009, 04:56 PM	#8
Sabretooth 37HSSV View User's Garage Drives: '11 Mazdaspeed 3 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: St Cloud FL Posts: 1,395	Oh and the SCCA has needed a reclassing for years...Either reclass cars properly, not going off just HP, or similar aspects. OR Create classing for newer smaller cars, because H stock is littered with crap, sorry but true. Scion Xa, Xb(where allowed), tC , Yaris, Mini Cooper, Hyudai Accent, Kia Rio, Chevy Aveo, Honda Fit, probably the Ford Fiesta when it gets here... Throw in cars like the Smart car, and theres more...Who comes out on top, the Mini. Really?! Does that seem a bit uneven, Yet if you redid the class to take out the Mini, the Yaris would more than likely be the top breadwinner, until the Fiesta gets here. __________________ 07 Toyota Yaris Hatchback -sold- 11 Mazdaspeed 3 -SRI/TIP, 3 inch TBI, Custom FMIC, Tuned by Cobb Accessport, HKS ssq2 BOV, Upgraded HPFP- Clean stock look... Killer performance. Last edited by Sabretooth; 12-14-2009 at 05:23 PM.

12-14-2009, 04:57 PM	#9
Tamago View User's Garage Drives: UZJ100 Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Off Grid Posts: 4,916	SMART is banned from SCCA :D __________________ Been a long time messing with cars..

12-14-2009, 02:53 PM	#5
ozmdd Reluctantly Crouched... Drives: 2008 Yaris HB M/T Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: DFW, TX Posts: 867	If you are trying to win at street racing, you are so hopelessly in the wrong vehicle that there isn't any real reason to discuss it. Sure, you can spend $10k making it into a 250 HP beast, but you'll still get whipped by a Mazdaspeed3 with some sticky tires. this is not a drag racing vehicle.

12-14-2009, 02:57 PM	#6
schleppy I love momentum. View User's Garage Drives: 2009 Yaris LB, Red Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 587	Seat time and luck.

12-14-2009, 05:05 PM	#11
Sabretooth 37HSSV View User's Garage Drives: '11 Mazdaspeed 3 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: St Cloud FL Posts: 1,395	aww why not...would be so much fun! Well at least the Smart Roadster! __________________ 07 Toyota Yaris Hatchback -sold- 11 Mazdaspeed 3 -SRI/TIP, 3 inch TBI, Custom FMIC, Tuned by Cobb Accessport, HKS ssq2 BOV, Upgraded HPFP- Clean stock look... Killer performance.

12-14-2009, 08:14 PM	#12
Sabretooth 37HSSV View User's Garage Drives: '11 Mazdaspeed 3 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: St Cloud FL Posts: 1,395	Probably has something to do with its ultra short wheelbase making its center of gravity too high... Same reason why many clubs wont allow a Scion Xb to race. __________________ 07 Toyota Yaris Hatchback -sold- 11 Mazdaspeed 3 -SRI/TIP, 3 inch TBI, Custom FMIC, Tuned by Cobb Accessport, HKS ssq2 BOV, Upgraded HPFP- Clean stock look... Killer performance.

12-14-2009, 08:43 PM	#13
scape View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris Hatchback Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Beaufort, South Carolina Posts: 388	it'd be cool to see hybrid racing become more prominent, there is just something about basically zero rpm torque that gets me giddy

12-14-2009, 09:59 PM	#14
eht13 Drives: . Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: . Posts: 363	Interesting thread. I noticed the John Cooper Works MINI on their site recently and was impressed by the numbers... but as Tamago said, the price is pretty steep... starting at $29.5K. Also, interesting comments about the tC. They always look pretty cool to me, but are they basically nothing to get excited about performance-wise?

12-14-2009, 11:16 PM	#15
PHXDEMON View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Red Liftback Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 885	You could start by swapping in a manual transmission.

12-15-2009, 03:13 AM	#16
Sabretooth 37HSSV View User's Garage Drives: '11 Mazdaspeed 3 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: St Cloud FL Posts: 1,395	Only thing that has a perk to the tC and being in H-stock, find a dealership that can "port-install" all the TRD parts, coilovers, intake, sway bar (later add full catback exhaust)... and you can still be in H-stock with all those mods, since they were pre installed before you bought it. Correct me if I am wrong Tamago, but that right there could/should keep you at arms length from a regular Mini (non S), pending tires, etc. __________________ 07 Toyota Yaris Hatchback -sold- 11 Mazdaspeed 3 -SRI/TIP, 3 inch TBI, Custom FMIC, Tuned by Cobb Accessport, HKS ssq2 BOV, Upgraded HPFP- Clean stock look... Killer performance.

12-15-2009, 12:55 PM	#18
cali yaris ULTIMATE View User's Garage Drives: 07 Yaris Turbo Join Date: May 2007 Location: Canoga Park, CA Posts: 14,859	I'm happy with that 54 on my first try. I was letting off a lot, I wanted to finish ONCE without spinning out. LOL. Let's see what happens over the next few months as I get my speed up, calmness down and the car dialed in a LOT better. __________________ Micro Image forums, online store and shop are now closed. It was a great eight year run, but it was time to focus on other things. I'm still selling parts on eBay under micro*image seller ID and customers can still make requests for anything specific.

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