Cooper eater

[Tamago]

Originally Posted by Sabretooth

Class for Class/Part for Part, youll never be able to beat a Mini...The Yaris just wasnt built to do so.

Only way you can beat a Mini, is staying in H-stock, and trying to work within the rulebook to keep yourself "port-modded but stock", tidbit from Tamago...

Yet again a Mini could do the same thing, then your SOL

what needs to happen is a re-classing by the SCCA. there are far too many uncapable cars that are lumped into bottom-of-the-barrel stock class (H) and the quick cars still in HS are dominating.

want to hear a funny one? Scion tC is an HS car :wtf:

[Sabretooth]

Um, Stock, tC's really are crap, lol.

I could see a Yaris and tC being almost equal around a track, only difference is HP/Weight Ratio.

[Sabretooth]

Oh and the SCCA has needed a reclassing for years...Either reclass cars properly, not going off just HP, or similar aspects.

OR

Create classing for newer smaller cars, because H stock is littered with crap, sorry but true.

Scion Xa, Xb(where allowed), tC , Yaris, Mini Cooper, Hyudai Accent, Kia Rio, Chevy Aveo, Honda Fit, probably the Ford Fiesta when it gets here...

Throw in cars like the Smart car, and theres more...Who comes out on top, the Mini.

Really?! Does that seem a bit uneven, Yet if you redid the class to take out the Mini, the Yaris would more than likely be the top breadwinner, until the Fiesta gets here.

[Tamago]

SMART is banned from SCCA :D

[Sabretooth]

aww why not...would be so much fun!

Well at least the Smart Roadster!

[why?]

Originally Posted by Tamago

SMART is banned from SCCA :D

aww, that stinks, why?

[Sabretooth]

Probably has something to do with its ultra short wheelbase making its center of gravity too high...

Same reason why many clubs wont allow a Scion Xb to race.

[scape]

it'd be cool to see hybrid racing become more prominent, there is just something about basically zero rpm torque that gets me giddy

[eht13]

Interesting thread. I noticed the John Cooper Works MINI on their site recently and was impressed by the numbers... but as Tamago said, the price is pretty steep... starting at $29.5K. Also, interesting comments about the tC. They always look pretty cool to me, but are they basically nothing to get excited about performance-wise?

[PHXDEMON]

You could start by swapping in a manual transmission.

[Sabretooth]

Only thing that has a perk to the tC and being in H-stock, find a dealership that can "port-install" all the TRD parts, coilovers, intake, sway bar (later add full catback exhaust)... and you can still be in H-stock with all those mods, since they were pre installed before you bought it. Correct me if I am wrong Tamago, but that right there could/should keep you at arms length from a regular Mini (non S), pending tires, etc.

[LtNoogie]

Originally Posted by Sabretooth

https://axwaresystems.com/axorm/file...121309_raw.htm

Here are some results from an Auto X where 6 Yaris were there...

Plus some Mini's Cooper S's and regs.

Notice the times for the Cooper S was in the upper 40s. Garm in a Modded to hell Yaris (300whp) couldnt even get past the 50 second mark.

Now this could be due to too much HP on a wet track, but it depends, all variable.


Here are some times from Mini guys vs Yaris guys at a Cali Autox I have posted the classing they are in and their times. These are the actual documented times, from people that finished...There were Mini peeps that didnt finish, so I could only go with what was avail.

NOTE THE CONDITIONS WERE NOT PERFECT, LOTS OF WATER ON TRACK:
Yaris Squad:
NOVHS, 615 Garm Beall , Toyota Yaris - 54.010
HS , 425 Long Tri , Toyota Yaris -56.293
NOVHS, 226 Jesus Saucedo, Toyota yaris - 59.505
NOVHS , 616 Rob Huh , Toyota Yaris -59.944
NOVHS , 618 Aaron Snyder , Toyota Yaris - 60.305
NOVHS , 614 Joey Patel ,Toyota Yaris - 67.470


Cooper Squad:
SK2GS , 333 Kurt Rahn , Mini Cooper S - 49.592
SK2GS , 127 Adrian Covert , MINI Cooper S - 50.219
CST, 210 Michael Bradley , mini cooper s - 51.584
GS , 35 Chuck Waer, MINI COOPER s - 53.180
CSTL, 230 Sharon Malmen , Mini Cooper S - 58.823

Really without knowing who has what mods, youc an only go with the times...
But even Garm's Yaris only beat one finished Cooper S (And a chick was driving)

But with saying this, a Cooper regular might be 1-2 seconds slower than the slowest S, depending on driver. So it is possible for a good Yaris driver to hold their own.

To be fair, this was the first time ever autocross for Garm, Rob, Aaron, and Joey. I am chagrined but impressed that Garm came in with the best time of the six of us.

I think that with enough seat time, the collective Yaris times will drop to a respectable level.

Having said that, the wet course also slowed down the Minis so who knows what their times would have been had it been dry.

[Tamago]

Originally Posted by LtNoogie

To be fair, this was the first time ever autocross for Garm, Rob, Aaron, and Joey. I am chagrined but impressed that Garm came in with the best time of the six of us.
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he's over double the horsepower.. with that much power you'd expect results like the ones you got ;)

[Tamago]

Originally Posted by Sabretooth

Only thing that has a perk to the tC and being in H-stock, find a dealership that can "port-install" all the TRD parts, coilovers, intake, sway bar (later add full catback exhaust)... and you can still be in H-stock with all those mods, since they were pre installed before you bought it. Correct me if I am wrong Tamago, but that right there could/should keep you at arms length from a regular Mini (non S), pending tires, etc.

you can put more tire on the tC for sure, because of the 17X7.5 stock wheel width. 245 40 17 could be achieved.

i'd imagine a properly set up H stock tC would beat the mini, depending on the course design.

[cali yaris]

I'm happy with that 54 on my first try. I was letting off a lot, I wanted to finish ONCE without spinning out. LOL.

Let's see what happens over the next few months as I get my speed up, calmness down and the car dialed in a LOT better.

[Sabretooth]

Originally Posted by Tamago

he's over double the horsepower.. with that much power you'd expect results like the ones you got ;)

Well double the HP and has the best drivetrain/suspsension setup so far

LSD and Quality Full adjustment coilovers...

Id say even though you expected less of Garms first try., the result is consistant of the amount of thought and expense put into the car.

Plus if you get a good day with dry conditions, it could become interesting to see what Garm has created...
So it might only cost as much as a JCW to beat a Mini

[Tamago]

Originally Posted by cali yaris

I'm happy with that 54 on my first try. I was letting off a lot, I wanted to finish ONCE without spinning out. LOL.

Let's see what happens over the next few months as I get my speed up, calmness down and the car dialed in a LOT better.

spinning out in an FWD car is a sign of an alignment problem, or suspension issue, or a tire pressure issue.. did you ever add penguin garage camber shims to the rear of your car? it'll help the back of your car bite a little more..

you weren't pulling the ebrake were you ?

[RacerFreakXXX]

IMO to kill a cooper you should buy a 2nd engine, build it mildly, and turbo it and; do suspension and; take out the rear seats