Toyota has some problems

[carnageehw]

Originally Posted by why?

how many decades of absolute trash do you need to have before you realize american cars are trash? Seriously a handful of decent years won't erase decades of garbage.

Yes it will. A car made 10 years ago has little to no bearing on the quality of cars made today. The parts are different, technology has changed, design has changed.

Reasoning stands that if a company has made high quality cars for a decade, they will likely continue to do so, so it is good for peace of mind, I suppose, but it in no way MEANS the company will continue to make great (or poor, for that matter) cars in the future.

Do you honestly think that because a car is "American" it will have problems? Or because it is "Japanese" it will not break down unexpectedly?

[rick996]

Originally Posted by carnageehw

Yes it will. A car made 10 years ago has little to no bearing on the quality of cars made today. The parts are different, technology has changed, design has changed.

Reasoning stands that if a company has made high quality cars for a decade, they will likely continue to do so, so it is good for peace of mind, I suppose, but it in no way MEANS the company will continue to make great (or poor, for that matter) cars in the future.

Do you honestly think that because a car is "American" it will have problems? Or because it is "Japanese" it will not break down unexpectedly?

You can check any car's reliability at but you have to be a member to see all the good stuff.

[rick996]

Originally Posted by why?

how many decades of absolute trash do you need to have before you realize american cars are trash? Seriously a handful of decent years won't erase decades of garbage

I agree. I have never been a fan of American cars, even back in the 60's when muscle cars were in and the term for crap was planned obsolescence . Of the 20 cars I owned, 14 were non-American and six were American. Of the American cars: 1 came with my wife, 1 given to me when I got out of the service and couldn't afford to buy a car, 4 bought (big and old and cheap due to gas crisis 1- "The Big one ") for my wife to ferry the kids around and use for shopping.

Originally Posted by p123456789

I totally agree I'm sick of everyone thinking they have to keep up with the jonses while drowning in debt, I'm probably going to keep my yaris until it can't be driven any longer. I will also never buy a vehicle at a dealership I've worked at a couple and the stuff they won't fix on used cars is sickening they usually let the car go out broken hope the customer won't realize its broken and if they do they blame the customer what crap is that? They sell the car for full blown retail and give you black book trade in which is bs.

Even if you have money it can be used for better things than impressing people. I love YAR1S's quote "Spendin money that I don't have to buy parts that I don't need to impress people that I don't know". Personally I would rather travel and have fun experiences. Cars are for transportation. Drive them until they fall apart around you and all that depreciation money is in your pocket. My last car before the new Yaris was a faded green 1993 Subaru Legacy with duct tape over all the rust holes and not much left of the exhaust (that sound that people pay money for) bought used with 105K on it and driven over 10 years. When a new BMW would pass me and give me a "look" I would think "That person probably went into debt to impress people like us while we just had a blast in Amsterdam. " On the other hand I do feel cool on my Harley (Oh well, nobody's perfect ).

As to dealers, we actually found one great one and I'll put in a plug for them for anyone in the area with a Subaru. Suburban Subaru in Vernon, CT. I have have 4 Subaru's and my son 2. It's the only place I've ever found where you can tell them to do whatever the car needs and walk out feeling safe. We just took my son's 95 Legacy in for stalling, no check engine light. We picked up the car with a bill of $95 for cleaning the gunk in the throttle body. One time I brought the 93 in for the timing belt and walked out with a bill of $0. They looked it up and I had miscalculated.

[frownonfun]

Originally Posted by rick996

Even if you have money it can be used for better things than impressing people. I love YAR1S's quote "Spendin money that I don't have to buy parts that I don't need to impress people that I don't know".

I too like that quote. Of course it kinda makes me feel bad all the money I've spent on my little Yaris but oh well. I see it as a learning experience... both financial and mechanical.

[jamal1984]

my dad and uncle still got their 91 and 95 corolla with almost 300K on it, with not a single problem, just oil changed and 100K services, AC still running cool never been refill, and now my yaris basically a Corolla Back then and it is still serving me good with almost no problems, so i'll stick and will stick with Toyota.
I can go and buy another brands but i don't get that peace of mind like when i'm in a Toyota.

[thebarber]

wow, another thread on a japanese board standing up for toyota and bashing domestic brands...awesome.

[SailDesign]

Originally Posted by thebarber

wow, another thread on a japanese board standing up for toyota and bashing domestic brands...awesome.

Don't sound so surprised, dood.

[Kioshi]

I dont get some of you who are standing up for Ford and GM now with their new lineup....

Do you already have a confirmation letter or pictures from a time traveler in the future who already owns these GREAT NEW American eco cars..that they really did last beyond the 200k point?!

If not, I'd stop bragging and less bashing on Imports who already have shown their quality to us time after time......

Let the coming years show us HOW GREAT these new american cars are...

[thebarber]

Originally Posted by Kioshi

I dont get some of you who are standing up for Ford and GM now with their new lineup....

Do you already have a confirmation letter or pictures from a time traveler in the future who already owns these GREAT NEW American eco cars..that they really did last beyond the 200k point?!

If not, I'd stop bragging and less bashing on Imports who already have shown their quality to us time after time......

Let the coming years show us HOW GREAT these new american cars are...

im not saying that american cars are perfect, but toyota isnt the be all and end all of automotive perfection. as 1zzfe owners with a 5spd how long their trannies last...

[carnageehw]

Originally Posted by Kioshi

I dont get some of you who are standing up for Ford and GM now with their new lineup....

Why not? They look and drive great. I"m not pretending to know they will last forever.

Do you already have a confirmation letter or pictures from a time traveler in the future who already owns these GREAT NEW American eco cars..that they really did last beyond the 200k point?!

Well, this is a smart, mature comment to make.

No one has cars that are guaranteed to last 200k. Every manufactured product in the world will have problems. Buying a new car from a company just because you have a 10 year old car from that same company that runs fine means nothing.

If not, I'd stop bragging and less bashing on Imports who already have shown their quality to us time after time......

Who here is bashing on imports?

The last two Yari I have driven (both 09) have had problems, but I haven't even mentioned that until now, and you can hardly say that's "bashing imports".

Let the coming years show us HOW GREAT these new american cars are...

What is the point of this attitude? It seems like you want the American cars to be crappy. Why?

[thebarber]

at least we have microimageonline.com to talk about cars that arent a yaris or toyota

[wufai]

If I were giving a choice today it would be the Hyundai Elantra, larger car with better fuel eco than a Yaris. The only Toyota car selling in the NA market I deem reliable is the Yaris. but its lackluster features is getting harder and harder to justify in today's competitive market.

[thebarber]

i find newer toyotas are just getting ugly and/or boring.

however, im eyeballing a new xb for a family hauler

[RedRide]

Originally Posted by thebarber

i find newer toyotas are just getting ugly and/or boring.

however, im eyeballing a new xb for a family hauler

I have to agree.
When they discontinued the Celica as of '06. Toyota said they wanted to "concentrate on family oriented cars".
In other words, boring cars.

[carnageehw]

Originally Posted by thebarber

i find newer toyotas are just getting ugly and/or boring.

however, im eyeballing a new xb for a family hauler

From the outside, unless I take a little bit of time to study the length, teh Corrola looks just like the Yaris. two different cars shouldn't look so much alike.

[yaris2010RS]

Originally Posted by thebarber

i find newer toyotas are just getting ugly and/or boring.

however, im eyeballing a new xb for a family hauler

i agree with u, the new toyotas and scions are getting quite ugly and boring, on the same note my next car will either be a venza or the 2011 sienna van.... (im almost 20 now, i figure ill b ready for my next car in 10 years but if i had to choose today)

2011-toyota-sienna-21.jpg

la-sienna4.jpg

one of the sexiest vans ever made IMO

[p123456789]

Honestly toyota is going to have to step the game WAY up in order to compete with gm and ford, the new focus and cruz are much nicer vehicles than the the yaris or carolla. I dont get what poeple have against domestic car companies on this forum its like half the poeple on here have a huge stereotype on everyone whoe drives a truck or suv.

[carnageehw]

Originally Posted by p123456789

Honestly toyota is going to have to step the game WAY up in order to compete with gm and ford, the new focus and cruz are much nicer vehicles than the the yaris or carolla. I dont get what poeple have against domestic car companies on this forum its like half the poeple on here have a huge stereotype on everyone whoe drives a truck or suv.

Well, a car is a huge purchase, second only to a house for most people. To it's important that you feel good about your purchase, and that can lead to being defensive, or overly sensitive.

And let's not forget that while domestics are on the way up, there WAS a period where they sucked pretty hardcore. Considering that a car is such a huge purchase, for those people who bought a crappy car, it's understandable that they wouldn't want to go back to a certain brand.