Instrument cluster swapout help

[jcboy]

Originally Posted by CTScott

I never noticed that for the Sedans that you get the same connectors as the liftback. On that giant connector D76 on the US sedan there are many unused pins, so it is not like the US one has many other connections to it.

I believe that a US one with the correct connector and lengthening the wires to reach the opposite sides would work fine.

Great, thanks Scott, although the "lengthening of the wires" isn't necessary as we are LHD here too. Yup, the sedans and hatchbacks here have the same plugs here, and so do your hatchbacks there. (was actually surprised why, and your sedans don't)

Sorry OP for a bit of hijacking the thread.

[IllusionX]

I'm pretty sure i have the short plug like the asian cluster on my sedan...

[JudgeM]

I asked the seller of the meter to explain more about this "coding" he talks about. Here is what he said:

"I mean it will still have all it's old cars information in it so when you put it in your car all kinds of faults can show up, all I think it needs done is to be immobilised and made compatible with your car"

So how does one immobilise the meter

[CTScott]

Originally Posted by JudgeM

I asked the seller of the meter to explain more about this "coding" he talks about. Here is what he said:

"I mean it will still have all it's old cars information in it so when you put it in your car all kinds of faults can show up, all I think it needs done is to be immobilised and made compatible with your car"

So how does one immobilise the meter

He has absolutely no clue. The only vehicle specific data on the cluster is the odometer reading and even that is really not vehicle specific as it will show the same value if you move it to a different car.

[JudgeM]

Yea it doesn't make sense ah. I will let him know and I definitely take your advice over his without even blinking. Also, none of the other sellers I asked for meters mentioned anything about coding.

I'll give this meter one more go in my car. If I still have these weird problems then I will try to return it and get another one from someone else.

Thanks CTscott for the advice.

[JudgeM]

Thanks CTscott for the information. I will try to return the meter to the seller and get another one from someone else. The meter also had a bit of cosmetic damage due to transit.

I've put up a video for all to see of the problems I had with this meter:

http://youtu.be/sZDzyRVeh8g

[Mareo]

Hi All, I think this post might be really helpful for me.

I need to convert my European Yaris MK2 to the UK specifications: this means (unfortunately ) that I need to replace my actual speedometer. Its number is 83800-0D660-D, for a 1.0l petrol 3dr 2007 Yaris with manual transmission.
I've checked for second hand UK speedometers and there are different types both digital (numbers 83800-0D650D or *0D650 or *0D490D or *0D680D) and analogic (mainly 83800-0DG60).
In any case I need to extend the cable to fit the new connections but I'm really afraid that the single pins will not correspond similarly between the European and the UK speedometers.
Then my main concerns/questions are:
- which is the best part number that matches with my 0D660-D, or do I need to match the same engine displacement, doors, gearbox?
- Is there any pin wiring conversion I need to consider when cabling the new speedometer?
- If I buy a new digital UK speedometer it will display the speed pointing toward the right seat, while my car is left-hand drive. Is it possible to use my LHD speedometer framework (I've already disassembled my actual one and there is a mirror inside)? If not, is it possible to buy an analogic speedometer without any problem in the wiring connection (i.e. different pin locations and cabling)?

Thanks in advance for your help,
Matteo

[CTScott]

Originally Posted by Mareo

Hi All, I think this post might be really helpful for me.

I need to convert my European Yaris MK2 to the UK specifications: this means (unfortunately ) that I need to replace my actual speedometer. Its number is 83800-0D660-D, for a 1.0l petrol 3dr 2007 Yaris with manual transmission.
I've checked for second hand UK speedometers and there are different types both digital (numbers 83800-0D650D or *0D650 or *0D490D or *0D680D) and analogic (mainly 83800-0DG60).
In any case I need to extend the cable to fit the new connections but I'm really afraid that the single pins will not correspond similarly between the European and the UK speedometers.
Then my main concerns/questions are:
- which is the best part number that matches with my 0D660-D, or do I need to match the same engine displacement, doors, gearbox?
- Is there any pin wiring conversion I need to consider when cabling the new speedometer?
- If I buy a new digital UK speedometer it will display the speed pointing toward the right seat, while my car is left-hand drive. Is it possible to use my LHD speedometer framework (I've already disassembled my actual one and there is a mirror inside)? If not, is it possible to buy an analogic speedometer without any problem in the wiring connection (i.e. different pin locations and cabling)?

Thanks in advance for your help,
Matteo

Definitely avoid the digital one, as it will point in the wrong direction and not be visible from the driver's seat.

For the Analog ones, the key is the match the year and features (traction control, ABS, etc.) of your car.

The UK and European ones have the connectors in the same place, so you will not have to extend the harness.

[Mareo]

Thanks a lot CTScott.

Actually I can only find Analog speedometers of 2010 or 2011 for 1.3l petrol and 1.4l diesel, all 5 door cars (mine is a 1.0l 3doors). Do you think it may fit my specifications?

Unfortunately it's a shame that I cannot use an UK digital speedometer, it's plenty of it.

[Mareo]

Forgot to specify that the code for the 1.3l petrol is 83800-0DG30 and the seller states it's for a Mk2 Yaris (like mine).

Matteo

[CTScott]

The diesel has some different indicators which will remain on, so you would want to use the 1.3l. There won't be an issue with the different number of doors.

[ezhacker1]

I have both European and UK digital clusters, im fine with the kilometers only European one, but iv been toying with merging the two, and have miles (albeit, the speedometer section will be on the right of the tachometer)

[nodi]

Hi all, sorry to revive this old thread, but I'm facing exactly the same issues as the original poster, so I thought I'd give it a go...

Originally Posted by ezhacker1

I have both European and UK digital clusters, im fine with the kilometers only European one, but iv been toying with merging the two, and have miles (albeit, the speedometer section will be on the right of the tachometer)

ezhacker1, how did you go about merging the clusters? Are these analog clusters? [edit - cancel that question, you said they're digital]

I have to convert my Yaris to MPH, since unfortunately the instrument cluster is one of those digital LHD European ones that don't have the km/h <-> mph switching option.

I bought a digital UK RHD cluster and I tried swapping over the control board (that small PCB sandwiched onto the big main one, with the µC / eeprom on it). It worked, sort of, the status indicators etc. worked fine, but the digital speed / RPM display sections were totally garbled. I'm guessing the routing to the actual VFD is different (the VFD is also mirrored, no chance of swapping those).

I suppose I could simply fit the entire RHD cluster in my car, but firstly I'd then have to extend the connector wires, since the connectors are also mirrored - a tedious task - and secondly that would make reading the speed from the driver's seat quite difficult. I wouldn't mind that so much, but the MOT tester probably would.

Any pointers on how to go about this would be greatly appreciated.

I would also be perfectly happy with an analog cluster, even one that is km/h only (as on analog ones you can simply apply an adhesive overlay for mph). Just not sure if there's one available in Europe that actually fits my Yaris.

Cheers

[nodi]

Have to bump the thread again ...

Maybe someone has already tried swapping the control boards between otherwise identical LHD and RHD clusters (83800-0D660-D and 83800-0D650-D) and can confirm that the pinout / PCB routing is different? I have a slight suspicion that the garbled display might have been due to the flex ribbon cable connecting the VFD being improperly mounted.

Also, does anybody know if an analog cluster with part number 83800-0DG30 is compatible with this Yaris:

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Many thanks!

[nodi]

For the sake of completeness and in case someone faces that same set of problems:

Control boards from digital RHD and LHD clusters are NOT compatible. The PCBs are completely identical, and they will mechanically fit in both LHD and RHD clusters and thus can be swapped between them. However the firmware is different beyond just computing speed and mileage in MPH or km/h - the VFD component for speed and RPM display (basically everything you see enlarged by the mirror) has a different pin out, and the control board firmware takes that into account. I assume the controllers on that board to be OTP, so no chance of reprogramming even if one were to re-engineer the firmware.

Good job the RHD instrument I bought to try this out on was old and came in under £20. Maybe I can now flog it off on ebay for £5 or something.

The analog cluster 83800-0DG30 on the other hand works just fine in said car. Pinout for the vital indicator LEDs seems to be compatible.

[Mareo]

Thanks for your info, I've just bought and received an analog cluster (83800-0DG30). It works fine but the "High engine coolant temperature" light is always on. Do you know any reason for that?

Thanks

[CTScott]

Originally Posted by Mareo

Thanks for your info, I've just bought and received an analog cluster (83800-0DG30). It works fine but the "High engine coolant temperature" light is always on. Do you know any reason for that?

Thanks

The instrument cluster gets the engine temperature from the ECM by CAN bus message, so it is very strange that the light is always on. Does the "cool" light come on when you turn the key on?

[Mareo]

Originally Posted by CTScott

The instrument cluster gets the engine temperature from the ECM by CAN bus message, so it is very strange that the light is always on. Does the "cool" light come on when you turn the key on?

Hi CTScott, unfortunately not, the "cool" light was always off while the "hot" one on.
It's odd that when swapped to my original speedo and I turned the key on, the "hot" ligth appeared for 1sec and then was replaced by the (correct) "cool" ligth.

Do you think there was something wrong in the ECM? I don't think so because I suppose the speedometer is just receiving signals not sending to the ECM (am I right?).

Do you think the new speedometer is not calibrated properly and reads the same CAN signal as the original speedo but with a different range cool-hot?

Anyway, tomorrow I'm going to swap again to the new speedo and check if the light is still on. Do you have any alternative in case it's still there?

Thanks.