DEBATE: Analog vs Digital - Class D vs Old School Amps

[RedRide]

....and the show continues.

"Takes one to know one"?
I did not know that they had computer labs in kindergarten.

[_S7V7N_]

Guess Neanderthals have evolved ?

Glad I can give you meaning to life for a few hours.


Just for you Red Ride ! Ever been slapped like that ?

[sqcomp]

RR...

He wasn't talking about me. Do we have a home audio section on this site? It seems that's where you draw your experience from...not 12 Volt audio.

...it'd be mean though for me to mess with you in there too...

S7V7N...

That post made me laugh. I'm sitting here waiting for my Kevlar kicks to cure and that just made my afternoon!

[_S7V7N_]

Sometimes these youngsters need some Act Right !

[sqcomp]

I'm about to break out the Ensure and Metamucil...

[RedRide]

I just stated established facts and I have no interest or need to engage in a pissing match with those who have a need to always get in the last word that does not even pertain to a topic at hand.
I outgrew that juvenile trait many decades ago when I matured.

So, you guys can have the last words (I know how badly you neeed it) as I/we enjoy the show.

[sqcomp]

He he...established facts eh? That good analog source material is better than compressed digital music sources? Sure. That is in most cases fact.

But the issue you have not addressed is, how do YOU intend to apply that to CAR AUDIO. You cannot realistically put a record player in your car, what's there to do? Take your entire line and move it to a home audio section.

Stick to AudioKarma or DIYaudio sites. You have nothing to add to mobile electronics. This includes amplifiers that someone else referenced (C-64) that you aren't apparently using or have used in your car audio setup. Look at the thread title and the section subject we're in. It's a car audio section in a thread that is obviously meant for car audio. All car audio playback, unless it's a dedicated show car, sounds fake. Did I get it right? I'll reiterate....placebo effect. You have made up your mind that car audio systems sound fabricated. Okay...stop trolling around the car audio section then. No matter what is done, accomplished, or mentioned, there's no changing your perspective. So why stick around? You can't make good sound come from your car, you don't want to hear what I'm offering or anyone else on this board from our experience...so why are you here again?

Did you notice that? Take a look again just to make sure.

Now, let's talk about your experience with CAR AUDIO amplifiers and what you're currently running in your Yaris. Then let's relate that to your past statements about "old school" amplifiers vs new class D amplifiers.

[RedRide]

But the issue you have not addressed is, how do YOU intend to apply that to CAR AUDIO. You cannot realistically put a record player in your car, what's there to do? Take your entire line and move it to a home audio section.....

I never said or even remotly alluded to that or anything even anything remotely simular You are grasping at straws and resorting to blatently making things up to win an argument with yourself .
I never even remotly suggested that anyone use anilog sources in any vehicle!
You are simply and purposely taking a couple of comments and truths out of contex.

I rest my case!

Do you not realize that your desperate rants are offered for the whole world to see?

I would suggest that you subscribe to you own signature!!

[_S7V7N_]

I'm going to get RR hooked on phonics and some spelling lessons ! This guy couldn't type a coherent paragraph if his life depended on it.

Remotly ? Simular ? Anilog ?

Are you trying to be funny or just that illiterate ? Uneducated ? Or ignorant ?

[sqcomp]

Yup...I'm the one grasping.

I'm also the one with real world perspective in the car audio realm. You sir are impotent. Prove me wrong. Bring a car audio system to a regional championship with your tube amps and prove me wrong. You're in NY correct? Make the trip down to SBN/INAC and prove that your old school system will be everything you're blabbing about.

Guess what? You won't back up your hype. You'll sit there like every other keyboard commando and try to justify your existence in the car audio realm.

I'd be happy to meet you in Daytona Beach. I'll bring an all D class amplified vehicle that isn't a show car and have my fun with you. Here's a hint...use the tube driven Panasonic TX-5500 source and some Butler tube amps. It's a start.





Can't say I didn't give you any good advice.

[why?]

rr is a troll in the classic sense. Almost every single post of his on Yarisworld is a trolling post.

I did not realize people still thought Class D amps were inferior. I remember reading about Richard Clark and his experiment. An entire room and a full setup with everything to prove people wrong.

That makes Scott's scores even more amazing.

[sqcomp]

^I still hold out hope for RR. I have to have faith the we're just on opposite sides of the same coin.

Scott was going up against Arc Audio's best. Fred Lynch's Arc SE amps are very nice. It comes down to dynamic power and how we perceive "better". Those JL/HD amps are basically 750 Watts per driver. The best I've got is 450 Watts (@ 12 Volts unregulated) from my DD S2b amps. Bummer! :)

I was demoing the G35 for the entire day on Sunday at SBN. I cannot remember how many people I went through tracks with in that car. I'm thinking that he'll prolly have it at CES this next year unless he pulls something out of his sleeve, which could happen.

Oh! Nice fun project. My wife is going to nursing school soon for 15 months in DC. This means I'll be turning the living room into a listening room! I've got the TL MTM speaker enclosures off some vintage solid state equipment. Sorry to say it isn't tube driven...I don't have a record player either. I ONLY have a blu ray and an SACD player. Damn I'm uncultured! :P

[RedRide]

Originally Posted by why?

rr is a troll in the classic sense. Almost every single post of his on Yarisworld is a trolling post.

I did not realize people still thought Class D amps were inferior. I remember reading about Richard Clark and his experiment. An entire room and a full setup with everything to prove people wrong.

That makes Scott's scores even more amazing.

Spoken like a true troll!

[RedRide]

Originally Posted by sqcomp

^I still hold out hope for RR. I have to have faith the we're just on opposite sides of the same coin.

Scott was going up against Arc Audio's best. Fred Lynch's Arc SE amps are very nice. It comes down to dynamic power and how we perceive "better". Those JL/HD amps are basically 750 Watts per driver. The best I've got is 450 Watts (@ 12 Volts unregulated) from my DD S2b amps. Bummer! :)

I was demoing the G35 for the entire day on Sunday at SBN. I cannot remember how many people I went through tracks with in that car. I'm thinking that he'll prolly have it at CES this next year unless he pulls something out of his sleeve, which could happen.

Oh! Nice fun project. My wife is going to nursing school soon for 15 months in DC. This means I'll be turning the living room into a listening room! I've got the TL MTM speaker enclosures off some vintage solid state equipment. Sorry to say it isn't tube driven...I don't have a record player either. I ONLY have a blu ray and an SACD player. Damn I'm uncultured! :P

Why do you (and others) insist on arguing with me about car audio? My OP had absolutely nothing to do with car audio. Please don't tell me this is a car fourm. "Contex is everything".

It seems some just like to argue and show how much they know even if they have to invent an argument.
The truth is on ths thread for all to see.

[sqcomp]

Look troll boy... You're wrong. Live with it.

I've called you out and you won't prove your theories in a practical real world CAR AUDIO application...because you can't.

We both agree that crappy compressed music sounds like shit. But putting an analog record player (for instance) in a vehicle has been tried...look at GM's Caddilacs in the 70's...and failed miserably.

Why do I insist on keeping this subject to car audio? LOOK AT THE SUBJECT OF THE POST!!! It's in a car audio forum, it's regarding car audio amplifiers. Even if it wasn't, you cannot win the RC challenge.

I notice you don't actually answer any questions either. For instance, you talked about digital source music. I gave you two examples of music that would sound better digitally. You never commented on it even though I posed the question to you originally.

Again, you don't answer questions. You simply subscribe to your own opinions and provide no substantiating backup for said arguments. How many real world examples are given in this thread that really bunk your assertions? Three. There's the Richard Clark challenge, there the home audio side by side challenge and the personal quote from a car audio 8x world SQ champion.

You couldn't comment on any of them. Why? Because they're correct and you don't want to end up calling out any of them and ending up with more than egg on your face.

RR, you have not given anything constructive to this argument. You cannot back up your opinions with substance...especially in a real world application.

You are the weakest link. Goodbye.

[RedRide]

.....and the freak show contines for all to see!

I haven't given anything constuctive to this argument? You are the only one arguing !
YOU are the one creating an argument where none exists. You're like a desperate politition.... who instead of speaking to the topic at hand, they create new argument that is toltaly unrelated because they do not want to address the original issue .

Look at the original post I responded to and its contex. It was clearly in refence to the C-64 era and and not about car audio. What do you not understand about that?!?!?!? You must get easily confused! Do you even know what a "C-64" is?

I'm out of this freak show..... you can contine to make a fool of yourself......... for all to see!

[sqcomp]

What a wanker! RR doesn't answer or respond to questions regarding the subjects he brings up.

Answer the question about source material!

Respond to the articles about the A/B home audio challenge!

Give us your thoughts on the RC Challenge.

Give us your thoughts on Scott Buwalda's statements about hearing the differences between amplifiers.

Answer a question for once.

If you're so intent on telling us about the "C-64" amplifier, put some information up and tell us how it relates to this thread's subject.

AND you mentioned that the OP was talking about the C-64 amplifier...wrong post. Look at the thread again. No where in here does the OP bring up anything about the C-64 era amplifiers that I'm seeing. This is a car audio thread talking about car audio amplifiers.

[sqcomp]

Here's a nice little PM I just received from RR:

Originally Posted by RedRide

Give it up troll boy!

You are acting like a complte ass hole..... llike a spoild 2 year....a dumb one at that. So, keep acting like a little girl and cry some more for all to see.

Now, RR...put up my response to you if you please. Forget it...I'll put it up:

Really? Is that all you can give? Answer the questions I put on the thread. Put a pic of the C-64 amplifier up and explain how the C-64 sounds just as good but less efficient as modern amps.

You realize that you haven't answered a single question brough up in the thread at all. You've dodged and darted without offering anything up to dispute what I've had to say.

I agree that compressed "digital" music sounds like crap. I also offered the side by side sustem comparo between an analog system source and a digital source. You didn't respond to that.

I put up the quote from a car audio SQ champion regarding the audible difference between amplifiers. You didn't respond to that.

S7V7N put up the tidbit regarding Richard Clark's amplifier challenge. You didn't respond to that.

You're not responding to anything in the debate.