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05-29-2009, 01:22 PM | #55 | |
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You know as well as I do that 99% of Yaris owners aren't going to spend the extra cash to have such a setup however. A correctly valved Koni/HTS etc. with a coilover sleeve setup will outperform a "cheap" coilover kits in most (if not all) cases. Some of the "cheap" coilover kits are obviously better than others. Unfortunately, Yaris owners don't have many choices for "stiff" coilover setups. I'm leaving the Teins out purposely because they are more for street performance. In this case you are talking a 30% price difference minimum between the two setups. I don't think that a HTS/GC setup would end up being 30% better than K sport coilovers for instance. Generally speaking, I dont think there is anything wrong with a GOOD "cheap" coilover (Stance, BC, etc.) As I said, some are better than others. D2s would not be on my "good" list from what I have seen of them. I have experience with both types of setups. I have custom valved Bilsteins with coilover sleeves on my Mustang Cobra. I like the setup a lot, and I am as fast or faster than many EVOs and STIs on technical tracks. I have BC coilovers on my RX7, which is primeraly a track car. I have been very satisfied with the coilovers. Out of the box they sucked, and were extremely stiff. Once I set the damping correctly, The car handled and drove much better, and rides well considering the spring rates. It took about 20 minutes driving around do get them dialed in. Again, I'm not going for SCCA Run off status here, but I was faced with the same issue. $1200+ for Konis and GC sleeves, or get a coilover kit for $800. I rode in cars with the Konis and the feel was similar. I could see the Koni's being more consistent near the limit, but at this point it was not worth the extra 30% price. I think the main problem with the "cheap" coilovers is that they have so many damping settings people never get them set up correctly, and dont get the settings balanced from front to rear, or they get rediculously stiff springs. |
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06-03-2009, 10:44 PM | #56 |
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i thought i replied to that? oh well... here is a pic from the test. Still working on the article...
that is at 93 mph in turn 3 at roebling road!
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06-04-2009, 12:13 AM | #57 |
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Ken , when you do your article , please tell everyone about the staggered wheel size that you are using ( MR2 + 15"195 up front and 16" 205 in the rear ) . My MR2 is that way anyway .
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06-04-2009, 12:23 AM | #58 |
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06-04-2009, 10:49 AM | #59 |
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Any chance of getting a dampening graph on these, preferable with stock graphed as well?
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06-04-2009, 10:55 AM | #60 |
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Stilll not hearing about springs that can be matched to these and give the benefit of the extra cost over blues?
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06-04-2009, 04:02 PM | #61 |
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yeah, we should be able to get a full dampening graph. there is a generic one on their site, but it is not specific to the yaris. It is useful for seeing the adjustment ranges, but not for the yaris unfortunately.
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06-05-2009, 03:41 PM | #63 |
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i ordered the parts to install coilover springs today. Lets see if this works!!
As for spring rates, that was kinda tricky. Right now, it has an Ultra Racing rear sway bar (23mm), and DF210s (3kg F, 2.2kg R). The balance of the car was very good at the track. Right now there is a 45 lb difference (0.8 x 56 to convert Kg/mm to Lb/In) with the front being the more stiff end. So i decided to get 300 lb springs for the front AND rear. I liked the balance already, but i decided to shift it towards the rear just a little. I have not tried autoxing yet, and the track i was on was a very soft flowing track with not alot of FAST transitions. So this setup will increase the rear spring rates by 50 lbs over the current set up, while increasing the current rates by 80% in the front and a 145% in the rear (300/56= 5.4 kg.) ill let you know how the install goes, hopefully do a DIY too.
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06-05-2009, 03:54 PM | #64 |
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personally I'de like to see them offer a HTS spring and shock combo like Koni reds. That way you know you are getting a spring made thr the shock and vive-versa. Using coil-overpsring with these just doesn't seem like an elaagant soluion.
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06-05-2009, 04:22 PM | #65 | |
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This set up is not for those who want to just bolt stuff on and leave it. If you dont like to tinker, change your setup, or have adjustability, then i would just get a set of blues and some tein springs. I am doing this because i want to compete. I want to do time trials, autox, and win. I want a higher level of performance than bolt on parts allow. So it takes some work and creativity unless you own a performance oriented car like an S2k, Porsche, or BMW which has nearly any time of suspension you could imagine.
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06-05-2009, 11:04 PM | #66 | |
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Point is that there are no springs made stiff enough to take full adventage of the higher settings (particularly the rear.) When someone make a real performance rear spring for thr Yaris I'm buying th HTS, but not until then, I don't see much gain without it. |
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06-06-2009, 12:10 AM | #67 |
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working on it... just relax.
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06-11-2009, 12:34 AM | #68 |
hmmm what is this: http://www.jazzproparts.com/Tokico_H...yota-yaris.htm Nonsense? or?
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06-11-2009, 10:15 AM | #69 |
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^ ?!?!
Even if that's an individual price, that's still pretty darn good.
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06-11-2009, 11:24 AM | #70 |
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write ''yaris'' and push ''search''... (look page 3 )
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06-11-2009, 03:18 PM | #71 | |
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06-11-2009, 03:36 PM | #72 |
So... from what I found and posted, NOT trying to get flamed on here....
What do you guys think of those? I mean part numbers are not the same as what was posted above earlier in the thread. So it makes me wonder how this guy somehow has these already and a low price, I think. |
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