Toyota sandbagging the Yaris

[sickpuppy1]

Originally Posted by yarrr

hahaha. Sorry to everyone in this thread, I searched ebay for panty untwisters to no avail.

I hold by my statement. Read redlittlepill and wsla's posts. You are all padding your numbers, or doing something unsafe. At least bailout admits he does dumb stuff like 60 psi and shutting the engine off going down hill.

The average driver won't drive enough city, won't drive enough long trips, and won't accelerate slow enough to ever see 40 mpg. Congrats if you do(and you aren't lying like 99% of people who feel the need to post their mpg on the internet).

I'm actually kinda suprised you hang here if were a bunch of liars! Not sure why you got that jaded, but it is what it is. I keep my tires at 38psi and I do admit My driving habits have mellowed since I got the Yaris, but only in the respect that I'm aware of avoiding quick starts off the line and I dont do 80+ on the highway on my way home. I stick closer to 70-75 and I use the AC alot. Use cruise alot too, but that mostly cause of brainfade while listening to music. I routinely get 38 to 39mpg with it like it is...stock except the tire pressure, my spoiler I bought on ebay and the rear swaybar from microimage (I want to be honest about it ya know....)
On the tire pressure thing, I don't believe in going over the max sidewall pressure in any situation. Realize that the mfg rating is a compromise between handling and comfort. The softer tire rides better , but rolls over when handling. The higher pressure handles good but rides real stiff and is harder on the suspension. You may or may not know that the softer (32psi) actually runs hotter and more prone to blow outs than a higher pressure due to increased rolling resistance. An under inflated tire is as much if not more un-safe than than a slightly over inflated tire due to that. I run 38 because for me, going higher just gets too rough. As it is, people still comment on how good it rides for a small car! I have gotten over 40 twice on a 99% highway trip at 70-75 with ac, so it is possible without trying very hard. I wonder if, since you are in New Mexico, that your altitude is much higher and that's why yours is lower? I'm at like 700 ft above. but the humidity here sucks big time!!! I don't care if it is better on mileage,I'd give up 3-4 mpg to have the Colorado humidity back.
Oh yeah, mine is a 2010 sedan w/automatic

[yarrr]

Originally Posted by sickpuppy1

I'm actually kinda suprised you hang here if were a bunch of liars! Not sure why you got that jaded, but it is what it is. I keep my tires at 38psi and I do admit My driving habits have mellowed since I got the Yaris, but only in the respect that I'm aware of avoiding quick starts off the line and I dont do 80+ on the highway on my way home. I stick closer to 70-75 and I use the AC alot. Use cruise alot too, but that mostly cause of brainfade while listening to music. I routinely get 38 to 39mpg with it like it is...stock except the tire pressure, my spoiler I bought on ebay and the rear swaybar from microimage (I want to be honest about it ya know....)
On the tire pressure thing, I don't believe in going over the max sidewall pressure in any situation. Realize that the mfg rating is a compromise between handling and comfort. The softer tire rides better , but rolls over when handling. The higher pressure handles good but rides real stiff and is harder on the suspension. You may or may not know that the softer (32psi) actually runs hotter and more prone to blow outs than a higher pressure due to increased rolling resistance. An under inflated tire is as much if not more un-safe than than a slightly over inflated tire due to that. I run 38 because for me, going higher just gets too rough. As it is, people still comment on how good it rides for a small car! I have gotten over 40 twice on a 99% highway trip at 70-75 with ac, so it is possible without trying very hard. I wonder if, since you are in New Mexico, that your altitude is much higher and that's why yours is lower? I'm at like 700 ft above. but the humidity here sucks big time!!! I don't care if it is better on mileage,I'd give up 3-4 mpg to have the Colorado humidity back.
Oh yeah, mine is a 2010 sedan w/automatic

Everything you've said is believable, and you're not breaking 40 even with conservative driving(unless as you say its a 99% hwy trip). Are we seeing a pattern yet?

Safe/Sane the yaris won't break 40 mpg in MOST conditions. Breaking laws and driving unsafely, its easy to get most 4 cylinder light cars above 40 mpg.

And I never said I don't like reading the FE/fantasy threads. I enjoy it thoroughly.

[R2D2]

Well I calculate at the pump the old fashioned way and my last two tanks were 46.2 mpg and 45.4 mpg respectively. With a granny tranny, almost constant AC use, mostly 10 mile trips in very hilly rural/in town/city driving. I do not "pad my numbers".

The "stupid" stuff I do includes 60 psi in tires, moderate acceleration, speed limit or slightly less, timing traffic lights, minimize idle time, and maximize effective DFCO use.

Gotta love the mentality where one hasn't done it so others who have must be lying.

Does it take effort? Yes. More than most would deem feasible I'm afraid. I still can't hold a candle to some here in terms of FE but I'm trying and steadily improving.
Oh, and for those that don't like people posting about their FE here's a tip-don't read FE threads!

R2

[tk-421]

Originally Posted by R2D2

Oh, and for those that don't like people posting about their FE here's a tip-don't read FE threads!

[Shroomster]

my wife' yaris has a roughly 5 mile one way trip to work. lots of stop and go. Her tank gets filled around 270 miles. Her avg mpg is 26-28; she puts in 10 gallons give or take a few ounces. The yaris is a 2007 with around 18,000

My honda civic has a 26 mile one way trip to work. mix of stop and go and over 2 mile cruising areas.I fill up anywhere between 320-390 miles. I put between 11-12 gallons; I avg 30-33 mpg. my civic is 10 years old now with 115,000 miles


its more than driving habits when it comes to mpg.

[Hershey]

wonder how much fuel saving tires could help bump up the gas mileage ? 2 > 4 ? Anyone actually put these on their YARIS with better m.p.g.s ?

[KrazyDawg]

Originally Posted by Hershey

wonder how much fuel saving tires could help bump up the gas mileage ? 2 > 4 ? Anyone actually put these on their YARIS with better m.p.g.s ?

I plan on getting the Bridgestone Ecopia EP100 (summer tires) when my tires need to be replaced. Look for rebates since they come out frequently at Costco or America's Tires. TireRack did testing on some LRR tires: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...y.jsp?ttid=121

I had Michelin HydroEdge tires on my 95 Civic. It's hard to say how much of an improvement there was since my commute changed a few months after the install from 60 miles (no traffic) to 130 miles (moderate to heavy traffic). I was also driving 70+ MPH. If you want to check out the gaslog it's available at http://www.gassavers.org/garage/viewgaslog/1277

[firemachine69]

I actually managed to crack 41mpg with my automatic. Ran about 60mph for 98% of a trip to Ottawa, with only very minor (under five minutes) stops, once for gas, another for food, then parked once overnight and returned home the next day.

This was in the full-tilt heat of the summer (a scorching 30 degrees celcius at a minimum all day long). I ran with my front windows down, and the rears cracked open a bit. To note: I carry lots of "extra" junk in my car, blow-out first aid kit, rescue and recovery tools, survival equipment, work briefcase and suitcase, car-washing stuff, etc. Basically, I'm always towing around an extra couple hundred pounds of gear.

My A/C generally only gets used when I have passengers in the vehicle. I also don't do any serious hypermiling, minus shutting down the engine at a train-crossing in use, DFCO'ing downhill, running my tires at 42PSI in the front, 40PSI in the rear, and maintaining a steady speed below 65mph (and obeying posted limits in-town).

I seem to average 36mpg with modest driving nowadays, and an average of 38mpg when I take it on a trip with 95%+ highway rolling.

Those MPG's, of course, began after I thought I had heard the engine shear itself to death...




And yep, ain't ever giving up my slushbox. The manual box is hoots of fun, until you get caught in a traffic-jam.

[shinlee]

i do mostly city driving now, and I get 36 in the city, with ac, in a 5speed, and I drive as firemachine69 put it, like an ass hat some days....

when it was listed at 36/40 backin 07, i would only go slightly over that mark some times, but at 29/36... that's ridiculous

[daf62757]

Originally Posted by jambo101

"but when I went to the Toyota site, it's listed only at 29/36."
A quote from another forum when i suggested the Yaris for the op's search for an economical car thats not a hybrid
I'm sure every one here knows the Yaris is easily capable of +40mpg with easy driving style, how come Toyota hasnt figured it out?.
In fact its almost as if Toyota doesnt like the Yaris as i see no advertising for the Yaris lineup

They do have some Yaris advertisements, but Yaris isn't a big moneymaker. They make more off the Corolla so you probably see more Corolla ads. I think the Yaris is more for a European and Asia market and they sell it here because its a model that has some limited appeal. Most families won't consider it, just people like us, who for some strange reason, love it.

The Yaris, with some very simple changes, i.e., smaller engine and diesel engine, could get 40+ MPG on the EPA tests.

[KrazyDawg]

Originally Posted by daf62757

They do have some Yaris advertisements, but Yaris isn't a big moneymaker. They make more off the Corolla so you probably see more Corolla ads. I think the Yaris is more for a European and Asia market and they sell it here because its a model that has some limited appeal. Most families won't consider it, just people like us, who for some strange reason, love it.

The Yaris, with some very simple changes, i.e., smaller engine and diesel engine, could get 40+ MPG on the EPA tests.

I got the Yaris hatchback not only for the gas mileage but for the smaller size to park in major cities like San Francisco. There are still only some parking spots that are small enough for a Smart Car when parking in residential areas.

[cali yaris]

If someone told you that you could save 5% on your annual grocery costs just by holding onto the cart tighter, wouldn't you do it? If someone told you that you could save 5% at every restaurant you went to if you only sat at a table closer to the kitchen, wouldn't you do it?

no, and no. I shop at a more expensive grocery store because it's convenient. My restaurant experience includes the ambience, so I don't usually sit near the kitchen or where waiters are constantly whisking by.

It's a weak analogy you present, but I'm sure many people would answer yes and yes.

[HTM Yaris]

I'm with Garm on the restaurant thingy . You get what you pay for and you only get one life .

I avg 27 mpg on track days . With speeds ranging from 5 mph to 110 mph . But I will say there is a 100 lb difference in my "track" weight versus my "street" weight .

I usually avg 40 mpg in street form . My high being 49 mpg and my low being 36 mpg (first tank) . Yes I coast , draft , and don't brake for turns . My tire pressures are 32 psi for street , 34 psi for The Dragon , and 36 psi for the track .

[why?]

To me 5% sounds like nothing, and I would probably use that much fuel annoying some eco freak with a burnout or two just because I could.

If you do use enough fuel though, it could add up. However, at 15,000 miles per year at 40 mpg is 375 gallons. At 42 it is 357. that is 18 gallons. At $3 a gallon for gas that is $54 a year. Not a big deal to even me.

Now if the difference was 35 mpg to 45 mpg, @ 45 mpg it is 333 gallons, while 35 it is 429. That is a $288 difference, and could be worth it, even to me.

[eddy]

with our 2010 4dr auto a/c on part of the way.we were able to get 50mpg on our last two roadtrips (HWY)and in the city 34-36 mpg. love it

[firemachine69]

Best thing you can ever do for your gas mileage, is to take it easy. Don't speed excessively, stomp on the gas pedal, or mash the brake pedal (without reason). Nice and smooth is the way to go (and get traffic flowing well).

[why?]

Originally Posted by fnkngrv

You can do the same with a van or minivan that gets better mileage and and safer for the environment...that is what I am getting at...these days status says that you should not have a minivan...stupid. As for all the stuff you mentioned, sure you can do all that with an SUV and if you were to do that it would be a great justification, but I cannot count on both hands how many people I know personally that just do the following with their SUV:

1) Drive back and forth in town for work which even during the winter here NEVER would require an SUV...no car pooling
2) Drop kids off at school with only their book bag and perhaps a small duffel for sporting stuff...just their kids...no kid pooling
3) Drive to get groceries
4) Drive to the local small race track

getting the picture? SUVs are like anything else...they have their place and I agree with that however for the knuckleheads that do only things similar to what I listed above...shakes head, that's all I will say. I could list 6 families right now off the top of my head that the parents and the kids say that having an SUV is a must just to keep up with fashionable times and status...very sad really.

People who do anything at all for status are just complete fools and should be ignored. And minivans are too small imo, conversion vans are awesome.

Originally Posted by firemachine69

Firstly, the above-drawn chart is backwards. It's going to cost you LESS, if you get better mileage - that's just common sense!
And yes, if you are on a single-lane highway, with no way for people to safely pass you, you ARE a problem. Get the fuck off the road, or flow with traffic. That doesn't mean do 10-20mph over - Most everywhere I've driven, 6mph (about 10kph) is the accepted flow of traffic. Otherwise, someday, someone will place you in a dangerous position after they cut you off, and you'll have nowhere to go except the oncoming traffic, or the ditch. Then you'll feel like a HUGE idiot when the three bucks you saved on gas, is now costing you thousands in body repairs and insurance deductibles. Also, if you think telling the cop at the scene of the accident - assuming you live - that he cut you off, unless you've got video proof, your word means sweet fuck-all. It's called a "vested interest", and is absolutely meaningless in court. OR - someone hanging off your ass has now plowed you into a concrete pillar at 70mph. Congratulations! You were in your right to drive at the speed limit - dead right!
Where there is place for someone to pass me, I allow them the opportunity, and flow at the speed limit. Otherwise, I do 10kph over, and the traffic flows nicely (and rarely does anyone hang off my ass).
To me, the fuel costs over a year is about $50. Time is also worth something to alot of people, don't discount that. If I were truly concerned about saving cash, I'd skip the once-or-twice-monthly outings to the bars, which usually end up costing me $60-100.
I'll add, I usually do drive fairly easy, but that's mostly got to do with not wanting to break shit prematurely on my Yaris, the car falls apart on its own.

First, the chart is completely 100% correct in every way possible. If you actually took the time to exam it, instead of ignoring and assuming, you would realize that.

If you are going the posted speed limit, you are never the problem. Sorry, but just because everyone decides they can ignore a law doesn't mean the law is not valid. I don't let people bully me in person, and I certainly wouldn't on the road. Brake checking people is fun, especially morons on motorcycles.

And btw, it is a speed limit, not a speed suggestion, meaning you are able to go slower if you choose, and that is a-ok.

And that bs about a dangerous situation is just that, bs. Sorry but if someone else does something stupid around me it is not my fault. It is theirs, and I hope it gets them killed so they don't go and injure someone else with their stupidity.

If you are a safe driver, then no one will be able to cut you off to the extent where you are forced off the road. That is idiocy at the highest level to think that.

And if someone chooses to tailgate you, slowing down and brake checking cures that really really fast.

And now with most police arresting people for agressive driving, people will think twice about doing something stupid.

So sorry, you couldn't be more wrong in what you said.

[PhotoDu.de]

Originally Posted by firemachine69

Otherwise, someday, someone will place you in a dangerous position after they cut you off, and you'll have nowhere to go except the oncoming traffic, or the ditch.

You can go the speed limit, or even a little slower, without cutting people off.

Originally Posted by why?

And if someone chooses to tailgate you, slowing down and brake checking cures that really really fast.

I have to agree with you on the slowing down, but please don't brake check people. It might cause an accident.