Debunking fuel conservation myths...

[fmicle]

Originally Posted by mryaris

I believe he was paraphrasing. You advocate government intervention into the private lives of its citizens to "encourage good healthy habits and discourage destructive behavior, even though it is legal and allowed", but then say that you never said anything about having the government dictate your habits. What's the difference between dictating and "encouraging" through policy?

Ah, come on, the difference is simple; it's "you should" instead of "you must". Just like tax write-offs for instance, the government encourages people to buy homes, by allowing them to write off the interest they pay on the loan. Right? Encouragement through policy. I never heard anyone complaining that the government is forcing them to buy a house

Originally Posted by mryaris

I have been to the doctor twice in the past 20 years and rarely get sick (maybe get a cold once every year or two) so I do not have nor need health insurance and do not want it forced upon me.

I have never had a car accident in 15 years, why is car insurance forced upon me??? I haven't heard anyone complain about the mandatory liability insurance, why are they complaining about health insurance?

The problem with your thinking is, that if you end up in the ER, they will save you first and then ask for insurance; they won't let you die...

Originally Posted by mryaris

How does driving a 15 MPG vehicle kill anyone moreso than someone in a 30 MPG car?

It's not about pollution, it's about politics and wars. The Arabs hate us because we're in Saudi Arabia and everyone knows WHY we are in Saudi Arabia.

[zachryboles]

Originally Posted by fmicle

Maybe you should actually read what I wrote and not just scan the keywords. I never said anything about government "dictating" your habits. I said that government can and should encourage proper behavior. It's common sense. Something you should try exercising as well sometimes.

If you want to drown in booze and sniff marijuana, go ahead and be my guest, but when you get cancer, or otherwise end up in the hospital, don't ask me to pay for it. Usually, those who do push these bad habits to the extreme, more often than not, do not have insurance and us taxpayers end up footing the bill. How messed up is that?

It does become a moral issue when people die so that you can keep driving your 15 mpg truck. And I'm not saying you should not be allowed to do it. All I'm saying is that you should be paying a little more than those who drive 30 mpg cars. Just like flying 1st class, you know? Common sense.

Oh, and just FYI, plenty of guys can pee discreetly without showing their dick, so obviously you still have a lot to learn...

Understandable.....
But at the same time who dictates what “proper behavior” is? And if I get cancer I will deal with it with my OWN insurance and not crappy Lolbamacare..... I've paid for my own insurance since I was 17 and I have taken care of myself just fine. Don't speak down to me because I don’t discreetly pee in public apparently..... Some of us come here to unwind and not have to be completely grammar and pc conscience... I for one work a corporate gig and am one of the most responsible people you'll know if you met me. Maybe I'm the grown up for keeping my snake in my trousers (just a thought). But seriously I'm just a gun toting bible thumping conservative that watches Aljazeera, BBC, and even on occasion CNN and MSNBC. And having a truck that is 15 MPG is not the same as first class. People don’t die over anything with that other than oil war crossfire. I honestly couldn't care less about those people as I've been there and seen that with my own eyes and I have nothing for disgust for the culture that unfortunately owns most of the free world with blood/oil money. You want to be self righteous and make a difference? Go brain a few Saudi Royal figures then come back and talk to me. I'm going to be labeled as either racist or misinformed but I'll tell you this, after 4 tour VOLUNTARILY I feel I have both a justified and well rounded view of the subculture that is eventually going to turn that desert into glass because no one is educated. The ones who are tend to be blood lust drunk for power and are crazy enough to fire Da Nuke. Stop complaining about the natural cycle of the earth being something that only humans effect and realize that life and the earth is a cycle. Just my .02 though.

[PhotoDu.de]

Originally Posted by zachryboles

Stop complaining about the natural cycle of the earth being something that only humans effect and realize that life and the earth is a cycle. Just my .02 though.

Your two cents are not as valuable as the scientific consensus.

I don't know why so many people in this thread think they know better than thousands of scientist who have researched, reviewed, and debated over the last century. They are scientist and their job is to look at things objectively. The conspiracy theories that keep on being posted here are by people with ulterior motives.

[fmicle]

Originally Posted by zachryboles

Don't speak down to me because I don’t discreetly pee in public apparently..... Some of us come here to unwind and not have to be completely grammar and pc conscience...

I apologize if I offended you, that wasn't my intention... that's what happens when you mix "trying to be funny" with sarcasm.

Originally Posted by zachryboles

Go brain a few Saudi Royal figures then come back and talk to me. I'm going to be labeled as either racist or misinformed but I'll tell you this, after 4 tour VOLUNTARILY I feel I have both a justified and well rounded view of the subculture that is eventually going to turn that desert into glass because no one is educated.

Hats off, I respect you for your service; but I ask you, wouldn't everyone be better off if we threw them books instead of bombs?

You probably know this better than me, but in Afganistan, aren't we firing $10k missiles at $100 tents? How is that for sensible policy?

[nmgolfer]

Just to recap...

1) Oil is made by mother earth converting (predominately) limestone under extreme heat and pressure not dead dinosaurs. Coal is desiccated oil (Made by MOTHER EARTH) and neither is running out ANYTIME soon. Besides that we waste billions upon billions of gallons of fuel by not using our abundant resources (THORIUM) wisely.

2)Global warming is UN orchestrated tax and control scam. Earth is not warming any more than is normal when coming out of a little ice age... Climate ALWAYS changes... they once to ice-skated on the Thames and Grapes grew well in Great Briton... all well documented. Its the sun... The sun (its cycles) and the Earth's relationship to it (orbit eccentricity) which determines climate warming and cooling.

3) CO2 is neither a pollutant (especially in the minuscule concentration in our atmosphere) nor is it a cause of climate change. The CO2 cycle lags the climate not the other way around as was claimed in philandering sex freak Al Gore's propaganda piece: An inconvenient lie.

4)Both political parties are bought and paid for by the corporations. Presidents of both stripes are paid pathological liars who will say and do anything their masters want them to say and do... Ain't a dimes worth of difference between any of them.. They're all rat B*ASTARDS! Old people (like me) know this... the young people (like photo taker) are still too gullible and too naive, having only recently emerged from the indoctrination camps we call "school" in this country, to accept this... That my friends is COGNITIVE DISSONANCE.

5)The so-called GOVERNMENT is in the process of morphing away from the constitution and the principles of individualism this country was founded on to collectivism where a self-appointed un-elected paternalistic technocratic elite will make all decisions for everybody like it or not. Make no mistake all will NOT like it, especially when their number is up and they themselves are summoned to the soylent green factory! The bipartisan backstabbing elite will succeed in their hostile take-over of this once great country, morphing it into the totalitarian fascist dictatorship of their dreams, one that will make Hitler and Mussolini proud when the (photo-takers) completely cede their though process' to the elite controlled pied pipers at either MSNBC or FAUX or communist Thom Hartman or drug addled gas bag Rush Limbaugh and when us old people (having watched the complete de-construction of our once great country) are dead and gone. I've given up hope that the process can be stopped... It will run its murderous course because human nature does not change.

And that is the name of that tune...

[fmicle]

Originally Posted by nmgolfer

Just to recap...

1) Oil is made by mother earth converting (predominately) limestone under extreme heat and pressure not dead dinosaurs. Coal is desiccated oil (Made by MOTHER EARTH) and neither is running out ANYTIME soon.

Even though I mostly agree with this theory, I still think we're burning them up faster than mother nature can refill the empty wells...

[nmgolfer]

Originally Posted by fmicle

Even though I mostly agree with this theory, I still think we're burning them up faster than mother nature can refill the empty wells...

On what basis have you arrived at that belief? Personally I'd like to see us off oil (accept for plastics) because they're nasty caustic chemicals ... but not because we're running out anytime soon. Gulf disaster shows how nasty it is... wouldn't want to be breathing that stuff personally and I'll think twice before buying gulf shrimp again anytime soon.

[fmicle]

Originally Posted by nmgolfer

On what basis have you arrived at that belief?

I don't know, common sense, I would guess. I'm thinking we're only using oil in large quantities after the industrial revolution, so if Mother Earth can produce more than what we consume today and assuming that these processes have been going on for millions of years, we should be swimming in oceans of oil instead of water... I'm thinking, as with most other geological processes, the genesis of oil must be slow...

[yarrr]

Originally Posted by nmgolfer

Just to recap...

1) Oil is made by mother earth converting (predominately) limestone under extreme heat and pressure not dead dinosaurs. Coal is desiccated oil (Made by MOTHER EARTH) and neither is running out ANYTIME soon. Besides that we waste billions upon billions of gallons of fuel by not using our abundant resources (THORIUM) wisely.

Um... source?

Oil forms IN limestone, it doesn't convert limestone to oil.

[nmgolfer]

Originally Posted by yarrr

Um... source?

Oil forms IN limestone, it doesn't convert limestone to oil.

You're wrong... RESEARCH IT FOR YOURSELF! I don't spoon feed.

[yarrr]

Originally Posted by nmgolfer

You're wrong... RESEARCH IT FOR YOURSELF! I don't spoon feed.

Ahahah you write essays on forums, but you don't spoon feed. Right. I have researched it, and most scientists agree that the majority of oil was formed by sea life, mostly vegetation.

I also googled oil from limestone, limestone converted to oil, and there was nothing about it, just about animals and vegetation trapped in limestone at formation which are then turned into oil over millions of years.

I can't find one thing saying "limestone turns into oil." If you can't come up with one source, its just not true... lol

[nmgolfer]

Originally Posted by yarrr

Ahahah you write essays on forums, but you don't spoon feed. Right. I have researched it, and most scientists agree that the majority of oil was formed by sea life, mostly vegetation.

I also googled oil from limestone, limestone converted to oil, and there was nothing about it, just about animals and vegetation trapped in limestone at formation which are then turned into oil over millions of years.

I can't find one thing saying "limestone turns into oil." If you can't come up with one source, its just not true... lol

In addition to everything we know about you, You're also a lousy researcher

[nmgolfer]

One more thing... Photod.ude I'm calling you on your BS. What you are saying about the density of air is absurd.. Density is a function altitude not CO2 emmision.. Heat Capacity of AIR Cp does not vary much at all with density. Also helium is in much higher concentration in the upper atmosphere... Why do you suppose that is?

[PhotoDu.de]

Originally Posted by nmgolfer

One more thing... Photod.ude I'm calling you on your BS. What you are saying about the density of air is absurd.. Density is a function altitude not CO2 emmision.. Heat Capacity of AIR Cp does not vary much at all with density. Also helium is in much higher concentration in the upper atmosphere... Why do you suppose that is?

Density (ie mass) and air pressure (ie the distance between molecules) are two different things. I've already made my points nor should I bother repeating them because you'll think whatever conspiracy theory websites tell you no matter what evidence there is to the contrary.
I also think that corporations have too much control of our government, and I went to private schools.
All governments are founded as collectives, that's what a government is. As Abe said "of the people, by the people, for the people."
Just because you are older than me doesn't mean you are smarter than me.

[nmgolfer]

Originally Posted by PhotoDu.de

Density (ie mass) and air pressure (ie the distance between molecules) are two different things. I've already made my points nor should I bother repeating them because you'll think whatever conspiracy theory websites tell you no matter what evidence there is to the contrary.
I also think that corporations have too much control of our government, and I went to private schools.
All governments are founded as collectives, that's what a government is. As Abe said "of the people, by the people, for the people."
Just because you are older than me doesn't mean you are smarter than me.

You should have payed better attention during "private" indoctrination classes. Density is mass per volume. You haven't a clue what either collectivism or individualism is because you are unread. Pick up Road to Serfdom and learn. No need to repeat your points because they're all wrong. Fact is you have no idea what you are talking about do you. Pressure is not "distance between molecules" LOL.. pressure is how much energy those molecules have! PV=rhoRT

about "conspiracy theories"

... that term was created by a government think tank back in the 60's to de-rate and ridicule anything not broadcast by the official news media (aka Edward Bernays Propaganda machine) on the evening news ... there was a famous man that once said ... "never attribute to conspiracy that which can amply be attributed to the actions of a bunch of greedy stupid self serving men in power"

[PhotoDu.de]

Originally Posted by nmgolfer

Pressure is not "distance between molecules" LOL.. pressure is how much energy those molecules have!

No, pressure has to deal with the amount of energy exerted on other molecules. When they are closer together, they exert more energy on each other.

[nmgolfer]

Originally Posted by PhotoDu.de

No, pressure has to deal with the amount of energy exerted on other molecules. When they are closer together, they exert more energy on each other.

Pressure is FORCE per AREA! THAT IS THE DEFINITION! Again you should have paid attention... Heck I bet you haven't even a clue what force is let alone area.

L(,)(,)K! I gave you the equation! P V = rho R T

Don't you know what that is or what the variables are? Gads our school systems are sh*te

[zachryboles]

Originally Posted by PhotoDu.de

Density (ie mass) and air pressure (ie the distance between molecules) are two different things. I've already made my points nor should I bother repeating them because you'll think whatever conspiracy theory websites tell you no matter what evidence there is to the contrary.
I also think that corporations have too much control of our government, and I went to private schools.
All governments are founded as collectives, that's what a government is. As Abe said "of the people, by the people, for the people."
Just because you are older than me doesn't mean you are smarter than me.

says the man that criticized me that im young because he thinks im stupid......