Waxing the Yaris?

[grampi]

I'll check it out. Thanks.

[uncleyaris]

remember to checkout echo_hrs. his car has a deep outstanding colour and shine. I think he uses Zaino, that shit is really good!!!!!

[grampi]

Originally Posted by marcus

questing about ice anyone.. should i used ice then wax or wax then ice it..and what is the best paint sealer out there..im scared to use one due to it might damage the clear coat...??

Are you talking about Turtle Wax Ice? If so, I wouldn't bother with it.

[Nimble]

The main thing I find alarming about online forum "wax speak" is that many view it like this.

Turle wax, mother's, etc (over the counter items) vs ZAINO (the ONLY boutique product!!!!)

It gets annoying because I feel for you guys that only hear the word Zaino and jump like God just entered the building. In truth, their entire product line is avg at best. Even the sealants are bettered by other companies.

I mention companies like Clearkote, Jeff's Werkstatt, Optimum, Four Star, Einszett, Finish Kare, Collinite, Pinnacle, Poor Boy's, Chemical Guy's, P21S, etc and you all draw a blank. It's not your faults (you don't detail for money like I do). I'm just saying taking some time to actually research before aimlessly listening to some herd of Zaino nazis on the forums and their recommendations....."DUDE, I'VE GOTZ 54 COATS OF ZAINO ON MY RIDE....IT SHINES LIKE THE DICKENS!!!!!

Ok, now I feel better.....

Justin....dispelling the Zaino myth one forum at a time. ;)

[rstb88]

I agree I agree . All I hear over at Autopia is use Zaino, its the only thing that works great with that colour, or the durability of this product is nothing compared to Zaino. I haven't personally used Zaino cause I won't fork over the money for a mediocre product when I can buy something better in town for much less. Like Duragloss. I just wish some more of the products listed would be available locally, I hate ordering online stuff. I'd love to get some einzett. I don't even professionally detail, I just love to keep my car spotless.

[keesue]

If you clean the paint and polish it, whatever wax/sealant you use will shine at its best. The issue then becomes how long they last. ICE tends to last the shortest while the harder paste waxes last the longest. Sealants, as a general rule, last for months. Everything else in between is just hype. The differences are so miniscule they don't justify the price difference (assuming one can see them side by side on the same car). If you clean, polish and keep it ICE'd up, you're good to go in my experience. I keep mine ICE'd to the bone. Got it from Chino Charles.

[keesue]

I forget to mention that I use Meguairs to clean and polish. I seal it up with NXT and keep it ICE'd up from there. These products are available OTC. ICE is fantastic.

[r300f28]

I agree with jamal1984. The Black Magic goes on fairly easy, but is a pain in the arse to get off. You have to keep rubbing & rubbing and still it doesn't come off clean. Allot of work for an average shine. Won't use it again.

[marcus]

isnt ice a sealant? what are the sealant products im confused..

[keesue]

Originally Posted by marcus

isnt ice a sealant? what are the sealant products im confused..

Wax can either be a natural carnauba, a synthetic formula or even a combination of both. In point of fact, a wax - either natural or synthetic - is a sealant and is referred to as a LSP (Last Step Product). sealants are most commonly cited as a synthetic.

A polish is designed to address paint issues - to make the clarity best for the sealant/wax to shine at its best. It is typically used before a sealant.

ICE labels itself as a polish. It is synthetic in formulation, does polish and it also seals.

[marcus]

i see thanks.!!

[keesue]

The trick is to polish the car's surface with a 'real' polish (even a new car), optionally glaze it, seal it up with a synthetic sealant x2, wax it up with a good carnauba and keep it all up with ICE. Great stuff that way. Easy on/easy off, shines on top of wax like crazy and seals it. I use the detailer, which has clarified carnauba in it, for touch ups. Let each coat 'cure' for a day before applying the next.

This is how I use ICE for what it's worth.

[grampi]

Originally Posted by Island Boy

"ICE" by Turtle Wax is the best and easiest stuff I have used in years. no residue at all. Just remember, on a car with clearcoat, you are not waxing the paint, you are waxing the clearcoat, so if you wax toooo much and/or toooo hard, you will eventually ware throught the clearcoat, and then the paint will have no protection from the elaments.

TW Ice is a waste of money. It only lasts about 2 weeks. Meguiar's stuff is a bit better, but there are way better products than either of those available. Zaino, Duragloss, and Classe all make far superior products and I'd highly suggest that you check them out. Don't waste your time or money on the others.

[marcus]

i have tried ice. their not the greatest, longevity wise but i believe one needs to wax coat then ice..may work better that way..ice = sealant i think. then again im sure others got different opinions..

[keesue]

There are a few topics that will cause fervor and disagreement: Politics, Religion and car wax are three of them.

There are a few irrefutable facts:

1. Polishing the paint, clear coat, is THE most important thing one can do for shine. It clarifies the surface so light can refract. Consider it like polishing a diamond. Claying is an important preparatory step as well.

2. One would have to work their fingers, arms and shoulders to the bone over a period of years with a polish to remove the clear coat layer. With a machine, a rotary in particular, one would have to use a wool pad with a VERY agressive compound with the clear intent to accomplish this. Removing clear coat is generally done with sandpaper in a body shop.

3. A glaze replenishes the oils lost in the paint from the sun drying the surface and leeching these constituents out of the paint. Consider this like putting lotion on dry skin.

4. A sealant does just that, it seals and protects the paint from leeching. It can be synthetic or natural. This step is at its best after polish and glazing.

5. Once a surface has been prepared, by machine or by hand, the differences in sealants fall into several categories:

a). Longevity
b). Feel (slickness)
c). Reflectivity (shine)
d). Ease of use (caking, hardness to remove)
f). Cost
g) Availability - over the counter vs. boutique (special order)

The reality is, once the surface is prepared, a wax is a wax. Carnauba varies by source, refining techinque, volumne and additives. A sealant varies by the polymer. In reality, there are only a few of them. Most of the companies rebrand these. There are a few large chemical companies who produce polymers. There are a few chemist who add chemicals to these base stocks to differentiate their products.

The following is NOT an endorsement of any brand but statements of fact:

1. Meguairs have been in the business since the teens. Glaze is one of their oldest products. They made their name in their professional product line where cost to performance ratios are critical.

2. Zaino, as well as the other so-called boutique or specialty products have their following. They all have their pluses and minuses relative to price, performance and use. Zymol has a wax that costs $1,800.00 a jar. Pinnacle's wax is $80.00 and so on.

3. Turtlewax made its name with a solid carnauba wax and their products are adequate for the price. ICE is their newest offering. It is easy to use, readily available but doesn't last as long. That is the trade-off.

4. Duragloss is considered by many professional detailers to be one of the best sealant spray wax for the performance and cost. Inexpensive and super to use.

Bottom line: Buy the $1,800.00 wax or buy ICE. Either way, prep the surface the way the pros do: Clean, Polish and Glaze, use what you like to seal in the look and maintain it with readily available, quick, easy to use and keep your ride looking top notch.

Hope this is helpful...

[grampi]

Originally Posted by Nimble

It gets annoying because I feel for you guys that only hear the word Zaino and jump like God just entered the building. In truth, their entire product line is avg at best. Even the sealants are bettered by other companies.

Really? I have personally experienced Zaino lasting over a year on my vehicles, which are parked outside all the time. So since Zaino is only an average product as you say, I suppose you're going to tell me you know of some that'll last for 2 or 3 years? If not, then how are they superior?

[JetfireK]

Just when you think...you have the smoothest finest wax job in the world. Take a wrapper off of a cigarette pack, put your fingers in it...and run your hand over the wax job. You will cringe because you will feel everything that is underneath your paint!...And you won't believe it......