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They are having problems acquiring the promised funding of $225million from the Feds to deploy National Guard troops to the border for BORDER SECURITY (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090812/...l_guard_border) ... however, in NY the Feds gave $140million dollars to 'poor' kids so they could get school supplies. http://www.nydailynews.com/money/200...e_its_fre.html Getting kids crayons is more important than the f'n security of our country?! Are you kidding me?! |
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08-13-2009, 03:24 AM | #128 |
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08-13-2009, 05:45 AM | #129 |
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It's a stinking shame that healthcare quality would diminish as healthcare officials will make less money. You'd hope that doctors and nurses and dentists become so because of their need to help mankind...not because of the money. I guess we haven't evolved as much as I thought.
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08-13-2009, 06:01 AM | #130 |
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It's death panels hiding outside people's windows looking for any sign of weakness that bothers me. lol But maybe there's a business opportunity here, teaching people how to look healthy 24/7 so their government doesn't haul them away.
Are the people sounding off at these town hall meetings for real? Someone is paying them to act like that, right? Gotta be. We can't be that stupid, we just can't. We didn't let Wall St take over social security because we knew they're muck it up, and that was even before they screwed up the world economy. So why do we tolerate Wall St running our health care system? |
08-13-2009, 07:22 AM | #131 |
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Read the bill? There is no bill. The are three proposed bills, all different. What you are presenting is corporate dog slop pretending to be T-bone. For eight years you foolish neocons swallowed any kind of nonsense that big money was able to construct and promolgate as long as it appealed to your sheepish sensibilities. It left our nation and our empire pretty much in ruin, as both were looted by corporate greed. Heaven help us if doctors make less money.. They only make about 40 times what a minimum wage earner makes, and about 10 times the median household income of an average american family.They what you to believe that anybody who would reduce the cash flow into their big deep pockets is evil and bent on your destruction and they're ready to spend hundreds of millions to convince you that it is so. Its sucker bait, and darned if you don't bite on it everytime.
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A question for the liberals. Would any of you honestly travel outside of the US for medical treatment? It's a really simple question.
Honestly, I don't expect the left to answer because the debate would be over. |
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Hell yes, and don't go calling me a liberal just because I am not a fool and a sucker for the corporate propaganda machine.
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08-13-2009, 10:50 AM | #135 | |
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And no, I'm not a "radical liberal." I just don't understand how anyone in their right mind (no pun intended) can look at the health care systems in other countries and think ours makes a stitch of sense. I'm not just drinking BO's kool aid on this. I think he's missing some big points in all of this. Nobody is talking about tort reform, and thats kind of baffling, but I'm still content to do the best we can. Nothing isn't the best we can. Of course, we have "the best health care in the world." Please! We have the best DOCTORS and NURSES in the world, no doubt. Health care? I don't think so. Typical American ethnocentrism... talk about a preexisting condition. Can't take a good example from another country because if you aren't under the stars and stripes, you don't matter. Wake up. This is working seemingly everywhere but here. |
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08-13-2009, 11:15 AM | #136 |
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There is no "biil" to read, only corporate/right wing lies!
There is now an unholy alliance between those who hate Obama and the health care insurance industry lobby. They both are propogating nothing but the most rediculous lies in attempts kill any sort of healt care reform. The fact the health care insurance industry in behind all the lies is well doumented and can't be denied by anyone who has a couple of brain cells and seeks the truth! |
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Kal-El asks a couple of questions there: No one is denying that doctors work hard to get their degrees, but so do engineers, nurses, and many others whose purported goal is as lofty as a doctor's. Most of them do NOT make as much as doctors do. And please don't tell me that all doctors are worth the money they make: even without living down there, I have seen many examples of MDs that I wouldn't let work on a cow. They were the ones who chose their profession, and mouthed the Hippocratic Oath, with the dollar signs dancing in their eyes. Canadian doctors make good money as well, but they somehow remember that helping people is what it is really all about.
As far as travelling outside the US is concerned, let us tell you one more time: the US system is 40% more expensive than the Canadian system (and EVERYONE is covered) with no difference in competence. We don't all live in igloos here, sir, and have paved roads; our hospitals are as up-to-date as most in the US with as many competent physicians and nurses on staff. Perhaps you should do a bit more research, develop some perspective on this subject simply by learning how the rest of the world operates. Not all your medical research should come from Faux News.... |
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? for you TLyttle,
if Canadian health care is good why does the manager of our Toronto office take his family across the border to Buffalo and pay out of his pocket for health care ?? |
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Answer: because our medical schools are some of the best in the world and they produce the best doctors in the world. A public option won't change that.
Cleveland, Ohio. Small market, one of the best cancer clinics on Earth. One example of many. |
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We are not actually talking about health care reform. We are talking about government health insurance, not universal health care. If our peer nations can provide health care to all of their citizens, we can do it as well. These "grassroots protesters" and "teabaggers" are actually just puppets of the corporate mechanisms operating in our country. The media covers their behavior and makes it seem like it is happening much more than it actually is. |
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Your right, this isn't about health care, it's about insurance. It's about government control and once they get this, they'll be able to control a greater part of our lives because our lifestyle most greatly effects the cost of health care. Another obvious question. How's that budget doing for Medicare and Medicaid? Since they're doing so well, let's go ahead with this proposed Medicare for all. After all, the government is known for cutting costs and doing things most efficiently. Hello???????? Where does this confidence in government come from? My head is about to explode over this stupidity. They are bankrupting our country into oblivion and liberals want to hand it all over to government? That's hope and change? People, we are quickly losing our country. The place where individual freedom and liberty has created the greatest level of wealth and prosperity and a lifestyle which has always been the envy of the world. It's "The American Dream". I never heard of the socialist dream. I know Obama is trying to close them, but please open your eyes! |
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From what I observe the government is far less of a problem than people try to make it out to be.
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In Great Britain, they are already denying things like breast cancer treatment for women leaving them to die. Plus, you mention our high cost. Yes, there's some waste that needs addressing. Conservatives are pushing for tort reform and LESS bureaucracy which are two huge cost factors. This new plan will greatly increase bureaucracy. Plus, one thing to keep in mind is, is that the best of something is almost always the most expensive. |
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Healthcare should not be a for profit industry due to the inherent conflict of interest. These corporations routinely make decisions on whether or not to cover a particular claim, decline coverage for pre-existing conditions etc. all in the name of profit. As it stands now MONEY is more important than an individuals health and if you don't see a problem with that then I would question your humanity. The fact remains that something must be done and I applaud Obama and the Dems for at least trying since Reps never seem to do anything about healthcare when they are in charge (except trying to get rid of Medicare/Medicaid.) There are those that believe a society is formed to improve the lives and benefit all. There are others that view society as an impediment to their own aspirations. I'm proud to be in the former category. |
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