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derickveliz2 · 07-26-2011, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sqcomp

I think you could like it too...

On the first photo... tell me he is not using the OEM door speakers area? Mids in the kickpanels Tweeters on A-pillars, Lows on the floor... floor? how did he deal with ground clearance? sub in the trunk?

Keep them coming!

D.

sqcomp · 07-26-2011, 08:49 PM

Mid bass in the doors AND in the floor. Two 15"s in the trunk.

That is Bill Pleasant's IASCA/USACi SQ vehicle. It's been the highest scoring vehicle in his class in IASCA for 4 years now without changing a single piece of equipment. People have been trying to take him down for years and it's hasn't worked well for them.

derickveliz2 · 07-26-2011, 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sqcomp

Mid bass in the doors AND in the floor. Two 15"s in the trunk.

That is Bill Pleasant's IASCA/USACi SQ vehicle. It's been the highest scoring vehicle in his class in IASCA for 4 years now without changing a single piece of equipment. People have been trying to take him down for years and it's hasn't worked well for them.

4 Midbass!!!

very interesting....

D.

sqcomp · 07-27-2011, 12:23 AM

I thought you might like that. It seems to work for Bill. I'll probably be seeing him in August.

derickveliz2 · 07-27-2011, 01:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sqcomp

I thought you might like that. It seems to work for Bill. I'll probably be seeing him in August.

What are your thoughts comparing the ergonomics of the Yaris with the Altima?

HAT recommends a difference of PLDs of no more than 12 inches for the Mids. At the A-pillars I have 10 inches aprox.

D.

sqcomp · 07-27-2011, 09:20 AM

Yes an no. This is where you can play with aiming and your time alignment. Yes, the PLDs should be equal (or as equal as possible). That goes without saying for any speaker really. Take my setup for example, it works because the passenger's side speaker is more on axis than the driver's side. It lends itself to a nice even stage and precise imaging. What it lacks at this point is width. It goes a little beyond pillar to pillar.

I know what and how I can improve the pillars if I was to do them over again. The tweeters would stay the same but the kids would sink in a little more and I'd put the mids slightly more on axis and deeper into the windshield. Why? Because we have the processing to make that setup happen.

Ultimately, I want to rebuild the dash and make this little yaris a two seat car for the IASCA judges. I could do that...

Planning and scheming. I know exactly where I'd place the speakers. On the engine bay side of the firewall...aperiodically enclosed (sort of)...weatherproof of course. The trippy
thing is that the other drivers around me would hear all my music.

sqcomp · 07-28-2011, 01:32 AM

More spurring for you D! I'm glad you got the sub ordered. I'm working on the CD thing. I just got the blue screen of death on my laptop on Monday. I'm working on it though.

To those who don't know...that is a 15" woofer. Small car and huge amps...much like an audio hot rod. :)

derickveliz2 · 07-28-2011, 01:49 AM

I love "Yes and No" answers at work we use them a lot. There is a lot of thinking behind that short sentence.

"mids slightly more on axis and deeper into the windshield." more on axis I get it but deeper into the windshield?

What does it means a 2 seat car for the IASCA judges?

"On the engine bay side of the firewall" I can't picture this..

D.

derickveliz2 · 07-28-2011, 01:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sqcomp

More spurring for you D! I'm glad you got the sub ordered. I'm working on the CD thing. I just got the blue screen of death on my laptop on Monday. I'm working on it though.

To those who don't know...that is a 15" woofer. Small car and huge amps...much like an audio hot rod. :)

Yeah, mean while I'm getting a 6 inch woofer you are showing off a 15" woofer!

Beautiful amp rack, the DD logo looks like it's a woofer in action!

D.

derickveliz2 · 07-28-2011, 02:34 AM

Yesterday I painted the a-pillars black (mate) I left my camera at the office so we'll have to wait for pictures!

I like the way they came out! looks very OEM finish,

NOTE: the original color of my Yaris on the a-pillars is Tang or Beige not black! I just don't want the speakers to show off from the outside! in black they will blend better, like camouflage.

D.

sqcomp · 07-28-2011, 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by derickveliz2

I love [B]"mids slightly more on axis and deeper into the windshield." more on axis I get it but deeper into the windshield?

What does it means a 2 seat car for the IASCA judges?

"On the engine bay side of the firewall" I can't picture this..

You recall how my mids are now. Angle them in towards the cabin, then move them "back" to snug more closely with the windsheild, and then sink them in a little more closely to the a-pillar.

In IASCA you have two types of judging classifications. One seat and two seat. Two seat judging is what the more advanced audio setups are in. They're the ones that *should* sound good from either seat with judges in both seats.

Picturing the location of the speakers I was talking about isn't needed at this point. I'm exploring future setups. While at CES this year, I was privy to how Scott set up Black Betty. Now I know how and where he stages his speakers as well as what the specifics of the enclosures are (for the most part). This will make it easier for me to move up into a two seat class OR simply improve on my own setup in the future.

The action shot of the trunk is from a crappy iPhone camera. Being "blurry" is simply an effect of the conditions and lack of a good camera.

So...Pics of the new colored A-pillars!

Give!

derickveliz2 · 07-29-2011, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by sqcomp

So...Pics of the new colored A-pillars!

Give!

Per your request!

D.

derickveliz2 · 07-29-2011, 01:18 AM

OK!

I did a test for my self that I had to do... before continuing my install:

I put the MIDS down in the Kick panel area! see pictures below my temporary installation.

Thoughts:

Yes I could live with that! It's amazing how our brains work, stage is way up around HU area. Even I know and I see the speakers down there I hear and feel the music up there!

The stage is wide and smooth, If I didn't have the option of going with the MIDS up in the a-pillars I would be very pleased with the MIDS in the kick panels, what I didn't like was that I found out why they call them kick panels! I was so afraid to kick my mids, but that's an issue that we can take care in the installation.

If I had a sports car or a car that you are close to the floor and your legs are stretch out forward, I see a very convenient opportunity for MIDS at kick panels, on the Yaris even though PLDs are improved the kicks are kind of forward/ down, think like in a SUV that the kicks are 45 degrees or more from you. Maybe that is way the stage stops at the HU area.

Now I'm going with the MIDS up on the a-pillars like you see in the pictures above, because I want to take advantage of the cavernous "Windshield - Dashboard" of the Yaris, it's like a big open mouth, see your self other cars the windshield and the dashboard create a very small area, angle, how ever you call it, it doesn't compare with the Yaris' proportions. And I'm going to take advantage of that!

For example my Corolla doesn't brings me the same space, and some other cars have the instrument cluster on the pilot's side, the Yaris has a symmetrical dashboard, Yes my PLDs suffer a penalty of about 2 inches and the distance between speakers is less for about 3-4 inches, but I can deal with that, my PLDs are under 12 inches (9.5" for a-pillars scenario) and the COOL factor watching the cones of the MIDS move like little woofers it's amazing!

Yeap! bags of rice are great to hold down your speakers!

D.

sqcomp · 07-29-2011, 02:53 AM

Fun test down there wasn't it? I'll bet you we could get the image up on the dash too...

derickveliz2 · 07-29-2011, 11:25 PM

Another issue that I ran into with the Mids down in the kick panel area is my knee! if between my left ear and left Mid, center image kind of fades away.

D.

derickveliz2 · 07-29-2011, 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sqcomp

Fun test down there wasn't it? I'll bet you we could get the image up on the dash too...

Did you do try it?

D.

sqcomp · 07-30-2011, 11:08 AM

No. One of my previous systems I had though.

More pics:

^The RCAs and power is run, at least temporarily run on the power wire. I see myself today bolting up a ground and running the speaker wires to the amps.

derickveliz2 · 07-31-2011, 11:11 PM

I finished the a-pillars they are pounding music! awesome center image, just like if there was a speaker some where floating in the middle of the windshield above, over the instrument cluster.

Yes I can tell the stage got slightly smaller by 1 or 2 inches, but after a while, just been amazed on how good you can spot vocals/instruments/etc on the stage, it's a trade that I'm happy to take, and I haven't played with T/A or EQ, this is where the fun starts.

I'll post some pictures of the a-pillars in place tomorrow.

D.

07-26-2011, 08:49 PM	#1424
sqcomp Roadrunner Jr. View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Back at home Posts: 2,609	Mid bass in the doors AND in the floor. Two 15"s in the trunk. That is Bill Pleasant's IASCA/USACi SQ vehicle. It's been the highest scoring vehicle in his class in IASCA for 4 years now without changing a single piece of equipment. People have been trying to take him down for years and it's hasn't worked well for them. __________________ “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” ― Thomas Paine

07-27-2011, 12:23 AM	#1426
sqcomp Roadrunner Jr. View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Back at home Posts: 2,609	I thought you might like that. It seems to work for Bill. I'll probably be seeing him in August. __________________ “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” ― Thomas Paine

07-27-2011, 09:20 AM	#1428
sqcomp Roadrunner Jr. View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Back at home Posts: 2,609	Yes an no. This is where you can play with aiming and your time alignment. Yes, the PLDs should be equal (or as equal as possible). That goes without saying for any speaker really. Take my setup for example, it works because the passenger's side speaker is more on axis than the driver's side. It lends itself to a nice even stage and precise imaging. What it lacks at this point is width. It goes a little beyond pillar to pillar. I know what and how I can improve the pillars if I was to do them over again. The tweeters would stay the same but the kids would sink in a little more and I'd put the mids slightly more on axis and deeper into the windshield. Why? Because we have the processing to make that setup happen. Ultimately, I want to rebuild the dash and make this little yaris a two seat car for the IASCA judges. I could do that... Planning and scheming. I know exactly where I'd place the speakers. On the engine bay side of the firewall...aperiodically enclosed (sort of)...weatherproof of course. The trippy thing is that the other drivers around me would hear all my music. __________________ “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” ― Thomas Paine

07-28-2011, 01:32 AM	#1429
sqcomp Roadrunner Jr. View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Back at home Posts: 2,609	More spurring for you D! I'm glad you got the sub ordered. I'm working on the CD thing. I just got the blue screen of death on my laptop on Monday. I'm working on it though. To those who don't know...that is a 15" woofer. Small car and huge amps...much like an audio hot rod. :) __________________ “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” ― Thomas Paine

07-28-2011, 01:49 AM	#1430
derickveliz2 View User's Garage Drives: Yaris Sedan "S" Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Central, MA Posts: 2,722	I love "Yes and No" answers at work we use them a lot. There is a lot of thinking behind that short sentence. "mids slightly more on axis and deeper into the windshield." more on axis I get it but deeper into the windshield? What does it means a 2 seat car for the IASCA judges? "On the engine bay side of the firewall" I can't picture this.. D. __________________ . My system may not blow your ears, but it will sweeten your senses. CLA 250, 4MATIC

07-28-2011, 02:34 AM	#1432
derickveliz2 View User's Garage Drives: Yaris Sedan "S" Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Central, MA Posts: 2,722	Yesterday I painted the a-pillars black (mate) I left my camera at the office so we'll have to wait for pictures! I like the way they came out! looks very OEM finish, NOTE: the original color of my Yaris on the a-pillars is Tang or Beige not black! I just don't want the speakers to show off from the outside! in black they will blend better, like camouflage. D. __________________ . My system may not blow your ears, but it will sweeten your senses. CLA 250, 4MATIC

07-29-2011, 01:18 AM	#1435
derickveliz2 View User's Garage Drives: Yaris Sedan "S" Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Central, MA Posts: 2,722	OK! I did a test for my self that I had to do... before continuing my install: I put the MIDS down in the Kick panel area! see pictures below my temporary installation. Thoughts: Yes I could live with that! It's amazing how our brains work, stage is way up around HU area. Even I know and I see the speakers down there I hear and feel the music up there! The stage is wide and smooth, If I didn't have the option of going with the MIDS up in the a-pillars I would be very pleased with the MIDS in the kick panels, what I didn't like was that I found out why they call them kick panels! I was so afraid to kick my mids, but that's an issue that we can take care in the installation. If I had a sports car or a car that you are close to the floor and your legs are stretch out forward, I see a very convenient opportunity for MIDS at kick panels, on the Yaris even though PLDs are improved the kicks are kind of forward/ down, think like in a SUV that the kicks are 45 degrees or more from you. Maybe that is way the stage stops at the HU area. Now I'm going with the MIDS up on the a-pillars like you see in the pictures above, because I want to take advantage of the cavernous "Windshield - Dashboard" of the Yaris, it's like a big open mouth, see your self other cars the windshield and the dashboard create a very small area, angle, how ever you call it, it doesn't compare with the Yaris' proportions. And I'm going to take advantage of that! For example my Corolla doesn't brings me the same space, and some other cars have the instrument cluster on the pilot's side, the Yaris has a symmetrical dashboard, Yes my PLDs suffer a penalty of about 2 inches and the distance between speakers is less for about 3-4 inches, but I can deal with that, my PLDs are under 12 inches (9.5" for a-pillars scenario) and the COOL factor watching the cones of the MIDS move like little woofers it's amazing! Yeap! bags of rice are great to hold down your speakers! D. __________________ . My system may not blow your ears, but it will sweeten your senses. CLA 250, 4MATIC

07-29-2011, 02:53 AM	#1436
sqcomp Roadrunner Jr. View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Back at home Posts: 2,609	Fun test down there wasn't it? I'll bet you we could get the image up on the dash too... __________________ “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” ― Thomas Paine

07-29-2011, 11:25 PM	#1437
derickveliz2 View User's Garage Drives: Yaris Sedan "S" Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Central, MA Posts: 2,722	Another issue that I ran into with the Mids down in the kick panel area is my knee! if between my left ear and left Mid, center image kind of fades away. D. __________________ . My system may not blow your ears, but it will sweeten your senses. CLA 250, 4MATIC

07-30-2011, 11:08 AM	#1439
sqcomp Roadrunner Jr. View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Back at home Posts: 2,609	No. One of my previous systems I had though. More pics: ^The RCAs and power is run, at least temporarily run on the power wire. I see myself today bolting up a ground and running the speaker wires to the amps. __________________ “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” ― Thomas Paine

07-31-2011, 11:11 PM	#1440
derickveliz2 View User's Garage Drives: Yaris Sedan "S" Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Central, MA Posts: 2,722	I finished the a-pillars they are pounding music! awesome center image, just like if there was a speaker some where floating in the middle of the windshield above, over the instrument cluster. Yes I can tell the stage got slightly smaller by 1 or 2 inches, but after a while, just been amazed on how good you can spot vocals/instruments/etc on the stage, it's a trade that I'm happy to take, and I haven't played with T/A or EQ, this is where the fun starts. I'll post some pictures of the a-pillars in place tomorrow. D. __________________ . My system may not blow your ears, but it will sweeten your senses. CLA 250, 4MATIC

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