Oil Filter Concerns

[Calrenman]

Just lurking on this thread. I have seen some Cut away oil filter videos and the inconsistency of fram shocked me, Pleating, glue and rust problems... yipes.
I use the wix, 51393XP full synthetic filter. It is larger than "stock size" with more filter surface and ads a bit of volume to the oil supply (~10-15%). $11.00 filter for a $4.000.00 engine. I will play those odds. I do use the supertech 10,000 oil from wallyworld with no problems. SAE is SAE! One the light goes on at 5,000 the oil gets changed!
I will not mess with filters or oil because cam phasers/ adjustable cams need clean oil!

[mitch9521]

Originally Posted by Calrenman

Just lurking on this thread. I have seen some Cut away oil filter videos and the inconsistency of fram shocked me, Pleating, glue and rust problems... yipes.
I use the wix, 51393XP full synthetic filter. It is larger than "stock size" with more filter surface and ads a bit of volume to the oil supply (~10-15%). $11.00 filter for a $4.000.00 engine. I will play those odds. I do use the supertech 10,000 oil from wallyworld with no problems. SAE is SAE! One the light goes on at 5,000 the oil gets changed!
I will not mess with filters or oil because cam phasers/ adjustable cams need clean oil!

I exclusively run Mobil 1 full synthetic(No dino crap) in my vehicles. Usually change the Yaris around 4-5k miles and my F150 around 3k cause it sits alot.

WIX is top notch, ive actually switched to their filters exclusively now.

[Calrenman]

Originally Posted by mitch9521

I exclusively run Mobil 1 full synthetic(No dino crap) in my vehicles. Usually change the Yaris around 4-5k miles and my F150 around 3k cause it sits alot.

WIX is top notch, ive actually switched to their filters exclusively now.

I only use the Synthetic oil. That is the oil our engines were designed for. Dino very bad! Too much wax/ tar build up for the VVT

[mitch9521]

Originally Posted by Calrenman

I only use the Synthetic oil. That is the oil our engines were designed for. Dino very bad! Too much wax/ tar build up for the VVT

As would any sane person. lol

[Neinris]

I use Mobil 1 full synthetic oil and Mobil 1 oil filter.
Has anyone tried using a slightly longer oil filter?
I looked underneath and it doesn't seem like it would hit the filter first if for any reason the vehicle were to bottoms out.
Would the 90915-YZZD3 fit the Yaris? It seems to be 1/4 of the size longer than the 90915-YZZF2.

[bronsin]

Originally Posted by mitch9521

As would any sane person. lol

[bronsin]

Originally Posted by Calrenman

I only use the Synthetic oil. That is the oil our engines were designed for. Dino very bad! Too much wax/ tar build up for the VVT

My wife’s 20 year old Camry just hit 200,000 miles and shows no signs of quitting. Never had synthetic oil, not a drop. Never had larger oil filters. Had frame oil filters maybe 25% of the time.

Wax and tar build up? The VVT works just fine. Thanks very much.
Just how many of these engines have you disassembled and inspected? Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah, I’ll wager!

You’ve been had my friend. You’re spending about twice as much on oil as you need to. You change the oil in your car because of contamination resulting from the combustion of fossil fuel. Whether the oil is synthetic or not, it’s still needs to be changed.

But if you were happy, that’s all that matters I guess.

[Calrenman]

Your motor your gamble. Good Luck.

Toyotas are not an engine I would take apart to play with.

My geo was in frame rebuild then top end rebuild. It still had faint cross hatching all the way around the cylinder when I put rings in it, in other words low wear. I will stick with the synthetics, that is my experience!

Originally Posted by bronsin

My wife’s 20 year old Camry just hit 200,000 miles and shows no signs of quitting. Never had synthetic oil, not a drop. Never had larger oil filters. Had frame oil filters maybe 25% of the time.

Wax and tar build up? The VVT works just fine. Thanks very much.
Just how many of these engines have you disassembled and inspected? Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah, I’ll wager!

You’ve been had my friend. You’re spending about twice as much on oil as you need to. You change the oil in your car because of contamination resulting from the combustion of fossil fuel. Whether the oil is synthetic or not, it’s still needs to be changed.

But if you were happy, that’s all that matters I guess.

[sh0rtlife]

theres a few benifits from a bigger filter "if" you can fit one..im not talking just longer, but overall larger, and the trick here is digging thru the books and finding one with the same thread pitch a gasket size

more oil capacity, more surface area for improved flow, a nice big can that helps cool the oil a little bit

[Calrenman]

I have used these larger filters without incident!

Large oil filters K&N HP-2005/ Wix XP- 51393XP

Originally Posted by sh0rtlife

theres a few benifits from a bigger filter "if" you can fit one..im not talking just longer, but overall larger, and the trick here is digging thru the books and finding one with the same thread pitch a gasket size

more oil capacity, more surface area for improved flow, a nice big can that helps cool the oil a little bit

[sh0rtlife]

FWIW
the wix "xp" filters have more filter material in them with the design specificly to flow more oil thru, they are ment to only be ran with synth....spoke with a rep in great detail about them..its something like 1 extra pleat for every 2 in the filter...the idea is to add 1/3rd more surface area for filtering and allow more oil to flow thru them faster

[Calrenman]

I never spoke to a rep but I think it is stated on the box. It is cool that you were able to speak to a rep.

The filters I Noted are also close to an inch, inch and a half deeper than stock filters.

I have always run Larger filters (via cross referencing inlet since and OD Gasket size since my first 350 chevy. I would run the two quart filters and a deep sump oil pan on a short bed half ton Van. The van had some head work, headers, intake, carb and full MSD ignition. It ran like a scalded gorilla!

Originally Posted by sh0rtlife

FWIW
the wix "xp" filters have more filter material in them with the design specificly to flow more oil thru, they are ment to only be ran with synth....spoke with a rep in great detail about them..its something like 1 extra pleat for every 2 in the filter...the idea is to add 1/3rd more surface area for filtering and allow more oil to flow thru them faster

[sh0rtlife]

Originally Posted by Calrenman

I never spoke to a rep but I think it is stated on the box. It is cool that you were able to speak to a rep.

The filters I Noted are also close to an inch, inch and a half deeper than stock filters.

I have always run Larger filters (via cross referencing inlet since and OD Gasket size since my first 350 chevy. I would run the two quart filters and a deep sump oil pan on a short bed half ton Van. The van had some head work, headers, intake, carb and full MSD ignition. It ran like a scalded gorilla!

i did the same on my mopars, forgive my only remembering the fram numbers, but the ph43 and the ph8a are IDENTICAL bases, the 8 being almost 3x the size of the 43...mind you on my a-body barracudas the 8 only fit if i axed the 90deg OE adaptor, but on my trucks and van the 8 was no big deal..for referance the 8 is your standard for filter while the 43 isnt much bigger than our yaris filters

[bronsin]

Run it till it dies! I have to believe it will last a long time anyway whatever happened to it.

[sh0rtlife]

my primary concern is genuinly the bearing surfaces both getting washed with keroseen, disel, engine flush in an attempt to clear as much "flake" out of the engine as i could, i litteraly ran about 8 gallons thru it in the course of a day trying to get it clean....it stopped showing signs so i buttoned it up

1500mile oilchange resulted in seeing more.....so i know 2 things..flakes pushed past the filter for a long long long time(read years) so how much material has been embedded in the bearing surfaces.......which means when it goes it will likely toss a rod or a bearing or both..

so yeah ive started my 1.8 swap gathering..ive got the xd harness, motormounts and some other bits...just keeping an eye out for a low mile cheep 1.8

[Calrenman]

XD, Scion? If I tried that here in the peoples republic I would be in solitary for some reason or other.

Originally Posted by sh0rtlife

my primary concern is genuinly the bearing surfaces both getting washed with keroseen, disel, engine flush in an attempt to clear as much "flake" out of the engine as i could, i litteraly ran about 8 gallons thru it in the course of a day trying to get it clean....it stopped showing signs so i buttoned it up

1500mile oilchange resulted in seeing more.....so i know 2 things..flakes pushed past the filter for a long long long time(read years) so how much material has been embedded in the bearing surfaces.......which means when it goes it will likely toss a rod or a bearing or both..

so yeah ive started my 1.8 swap gathering..ive got the xd harness, motormounts and some other bits...just keeping an eye out for a low mile cheep 1.8