Love my Yaris...

[Bob_VT]

Would like to see a picture of the Yaris parked nose to nose with the Vette...............

Or are we going to get a link to a site that has a magazine review?

[Chupacabra]

Originally Posted by Bob_VT

Or are we going to get a link to a site that has a magazine review?

[09TRD]

Originally Posted by Bob_VT

Would like to see a picture of the Yaris parked nose to nose with the Vette...............

Or are we going to get a link to a site that has a magazine review?

I'll snap a picture of both cars together next week and will post it.

I have HUNDREDS of "magazine reviews" from "the muscle car era," have driven many of them and have a mechanical engineering degree on top of it.

Your "opinions" of those old boats, while common, is based primarily in myth and legend and, as such, is essentially baseless.

Here is the absolute king of "the muscle car era." The engine option (RPO ZL1) cost more than an entire base Camaro of the period and was all but useless on the street. It would barely idle, woudn't start in cold weather and fouled plugs quicker than a rattlesnake can bite. In its "as delivered" state it made a whole 376 SAE NET HP (as measured at the flywheel and in its "as delivered" state), despite the fact that it was essentially a racing engine with an exhaust system. Figure 320 HP at the drivewheels as measured on a modern chassis dyno.

http://www.camaros.org/copo.shtml

That's chicken feed by modern, high performance street car standards. Your favored "1966 SS 396" made but a fraction of that peak power and was nothing more than a glorified station wagon engine wrapped in a cheap car with some fancy trim and a lot of advertising hype.

So is this (315 peak drivewheel HP from a certified production line stock 426 Hemi): http://www.moparmusclemagazine.com/r...426/index.html

My LS3 Corvette will put 380+ drivewheel HP to the ground without any real effort and will do it on 91 octane unleaded gas (as opposed to leaded racing fuel) and with just 6.2 liters and with catalytic converters and all other modern emissions equipment in place).

And that Corvette, while fast, is relatively mundane by modern performance standards (not to mention poorly built).

You've got a whole lot of learning to do if you don't understand why modern engines make a lot more power per unit of displacement than the old crap did. (Modern computational software and the cylinder head/chamber design breakthroughs that software has yielded represent the single greatest advantage in power and efficiency.)

[Chupacabra]

Originally Posted by 09TRD

I have HUNDREDS of "magazine reviews" from "the muscle car era," have driven many of them and have a mechanical engineering degree on top of it.

I find this quite humorous. Magazine articles and ME degrees....exactly as predicted....a "Joe Pro." Do you know how many idiots that I deal with daily with basic ME degrees?....C'mon man. Just because somebody has an ME degree doesn't mean shit....it means that they are able to do fancy math equations that are meaningless 90% of the time.

Maybe I'll post up how I have 2 "Advanced" Engineering degrees, a BSBA and an MBA. Maybe that'll buy me some more credibility.

Still waiting to hear about your vette taking on my whimpy, slow 4 cylinder....It's never to late for me to add another vette to my collection...

[09TRD]

Originally Posted by Chupacabra

Still waiting to hear about your vette taking on my whimpy, slow 4 cylinder....It's never to late for me to add another vette to my collection...

Your entire premise is beyond ludicrous.

As you can see, a new Z51 equipped Corvette like mine is fully capable of putting the NEW M3 away on a road racing circuit. And the new M3 is much, much faster than the 4 cylinder M3 from the late 1980s.

In the real world, an old M3 would be hard pressed to stay with the VW R32 in that test.

http://www.caranddriver.com/content/...08+Results.pdf

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...p_2008_feature

[Chupacabra]

Originally Posted by 09TRD

Your entire premise is beyond ludicrous.

As you can see, a new Z51 equipped Corvette like mine is fully capable of putting the NEW M3 away on a road racing circuit. And the new M3 is much, much faster than the 4 cylinder M3 from the late 1980s.

In the real world, an old M3 would be hard pressed to stay with the VW R32 in that test.

http://www.caranddriver.com/content/...08+Results.pdf

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...p_2008_feature

It's apparent that you are completely absent of any "real life" experience. My offer still stands....AAMOF, I'll hand you a half lap of the course. I can arrange it before the snow falls. A VW R32 wouldn't even come close to an e30 M3 on the track...especially in half-capable hands. Again....I am willing to pay for everything....your transportation to the track (and the car), any octane fuel you wish, I'll suit you up and everything. Like I mentioned...just make sure that you have a way to get home after I make you look silly. A naturally aspirated 4 cylinder car would make you look silly....what a beautiful thing.

[09TRD]

Originally Posted by Chupacabra

It's apparent that you are completely absent of any "real life" experience. My offer still stands....AAMOF, I'll hand you a half lap of the course. I can arrange it before the snow falls. A VW R32 wouldn't even come close to an e30 M3 on the track...especially in half-capable hands. Again....I am willing to pay for everything....your transportation to the track (and the car), any octane fuel you wish, I'll suit you up and everything. Like I mentioned...just make sure that you have a way to get home after I make you look silly. A naturally aspirated 4 cylinder car would make you look silly....what a beautiful thing.

A 20 year old, 192 HP, 4 cylinder BMW isn't in the same performance league as a new Corvette by any stretch of the imagination.

Period.

An E30 M3 in anything resembling stock form would have had great difficult staying with a C4 Corvette (L98 - 240 - 250 HP) from the same period (late 1980s).

That's been proven and documented on countless occasions.

[09TRD]

Originally Posted by Chupacabra

It's apparent that you are completely absent of any "real life" experience. My offer still stands....AAMOF, I'll hand you a half lap of the course. I can arrange it before the snow falls. A VW R32 wouldn't even come close to an e30 M3 on the track...especially in half-capable hands. Again....I am willing to pay for everything....your transportation to the track (and the car), any octane fuel you wish, I'll suit you up and everything. Like I mentioned...just make sure that you have a way to get home after I make you look silly. A naturally aspirated 4 cylinder car would make you look silly....what a beautiful thing.

This R32 is significantly quicker than the old M3 by every measure, has much stronger brakes and significantly more grip. Only its (easily defeated) governor keeps its top speed below that of the M3:

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...cs+page-2.html

The current generation Z51 Corvette dramatically outperforms both cars by every conceivable performance measure.

1988 E30 M3 (pathetic by modern performance car standards):


New base engine Corvette: