Love my Yaris...

[Chupacabra]

Originally Posted by 09TRD

I have HUNDREDS of "magazine reviews" from "the muscle car era," have driven many of them and have a mechanical engineering degree on top of it.

I find this quite humorous. Magazine articles and ME degrees....exactly as predicted....a "Joe Pro." Do you know how many idiots that I deal with daily with basic ME degrees?....C'mon man. Just because somebody has an ME degree doesn't mean shit....it means that they are able to do fancy math equations that are meaningless 90% of the time.

Maybe I'll post up how I have 2 "Advanced" Engineering degrees, a BSBA and an MBA. Maybe that'll buy me some more credibility.

Still waiting to hear about your vette taking on my whimpy, slow 4 cylinder....It's never to late for me to add another vette to my collection...

[Bob_VT]

It is the fine line between practice and theory....... I was right!

All of the consumer magazine tests tell us that the Yaris gets 36-37 mpg but many of us get more....... I guess in 20 years we can reference those magazine articles too.

I worked for a Chev dealer back in 2005. The Corvettes were nice and they maintained over 6000 profit on the front side and 5500 on the dealers back end profit. It meant that every vette that went out the door even 500 under invoice gave the dealer 5000 in his profit. If a customer wanted to take delivery in Bowling Green we would arrange that too. It was a scam.

[09TRD]

Originally Posted by Bob_VT

The Corvettes were nice and they maintained over 6000 profit on the front side and 5500 on the dealers back end profit. It meant that every vette that went out the door even 500 under invoice gave the dealer 5000 in his profit. If a customer wanted to take delivery in Bowling Green we would arrange that too. It was a scam.

You're referring to the dealer holdback, which on the Corvette (and all other Chevy products) is 3% of MSRP; that's not even close to the "$5,500" you claim.

http://www.edmunds.com/advice/incent...ack/index.html

Thus, a Corvette with an MSRP of $50K would have a $1,500 holdback.

It's not fixed as you suggested, either, but is based solely on the (varying by options) MSRP.

Furthermore, there's no "scam" involved," since every American manufacturer has dealer holdbacks and has had them for many decades. It's part of the business.

The Bowling Green trip you're referring to is actually an RPO option called "museum delivery." I didn't get that. The only people who do get it willingly request and pay for it.


You can avoid replies such as these in the future by performing some fact checking before you type.

[09TRD]

Originally Posted by Chupacabra

Still waiting to hear about your vette taking on my whimpy, slow 4 cylinder....It's never to late for me to add another vette to my collection...

Your entire premise is beyond ludicrous.

As you can see, a new Z51 equipped Corvette like mine is fully capable of putting the NEW M3 away on a road racing circuit. And the new M3 is much, much faster than the 4 cylinder M3 from the late 1980s.

In the real world, an old M3 would be hard pressed to stay with the VW R32 in that test.

http://www.caranddriver.com/content/...08+Results.pdf

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...p_2008_feature

[Black Yaris]

Still think it is funny that you can go buy a 15 year old TSI Talon, slap a boost controler and AFC for $1500-2000 and blow the doors off that vette

[09TRD]

Originally Posted by Black Yaris

Still think it is funny that you can go buy a 15 year old TSI Talon, slap a boost controler and AFC for $1500-2000 and blow the doors off that vette

Here's a TSi similar to what you've described; it needs a mix of 110 octane leaded racing fuel in order to trap @ just 111 MPH:

http://www.dragtimes.com/Eagle-Talon-Timeslip-6229.html

The modified TSi would have to trap @ 117 MPH or so through the 1/4 mile and go on to a top speed of 190 MPH in order to stay even with the 'Vette in a straight line over any appreciable length of time. (AWD gives the TSi and advantage off the line.)

Neither the TSi's brakes nor suspension are remotely competitive with the Corvette's.

Here's a TSi similar to what you've described; it needs a mix of 110 octane leaded racing fuel in order to trap @ just 111 MPH:

http://www.dragtimes.com/Eagle-Talon-Timeslip-6229.html

Almost anything will go if you throw enough boost in it and use the required racing fuel. How durable it will be is another question altogether, though.

[Black Yaris]

Originally Posted by 09TRD

Here's a TSi similar to what you've described; it needs a mix of 110 octane leaded racing fuel in order to trap @ just 111 MPH:

http://www.dragtimes.com/Eagle-Talon-Timeslip-6229.html

The modified TSi would have to trap @ 117 MPH or so through the 1/4 mile and go on to a top speed of 190 MPH in order to stay even with the 'Vette in a straight line over any appreciable length of time. (AWD gives the TSi and advantage off the line.)

Neither the TSi's brakes nor suspension are remotely competitive with the Corvette's.

Here's a TSi similar to what you've described; it needs a mix of 110 octane leaded racing fuel in order to trap @ just 111 MPH:

http://www.dragtimes.com/Eagle-Talon-Timeslip-6229.html

Almost anything will go if you throw enough boost in it and use the required racing fuel. How durable it will be is another question altogether, though.

true...... I just find it funny that kids around these parts buy these cheepo cars and drive around looking for Vette's, Mustangs and what not and whomp all over them from light to light

as for durability, DSM's FTL

[Chupacabra]

Originally Posted by 09TRD

Your entire premise is beyond ludicrous.

As you can see, a new Z51 equipped Corvette like mine is fully capable of putting the NEW M3 away on a road racing circuit. And the new M3 is much, much faster than the 4 cylinder M3 from the late 1980s.

In the real world, an old M3 would be hard pressed to stay with the VW R32 in that test.

http://www.caranddriver.com/content/...08+Results.pdf

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...p_2008_feature

It's apparent that you are completely absent of any "real life" experience. My offer still stands....AAMOF, I'll hand you a half lap of the course. I can arrange it before the snow falls. A VW R32 wouldn't even come close to an e30 M3 on the track...especially in half-capable hands. Again....I am willing to pay for everything....your transportation to the track (and the car), any octane fuel you wish, I'll suit you up and everything. Like I mentioned...just make sure that you have a way to get home after I make you look silly. A naturally aspirated 4 cylinder car would make you look silly....what a beautiful thing.

[09TRD]

Originally Posted by Chupacabra

It's apparent that you are completely absent of any "real life" experience. My offer still stands....AAMOF, I'll hand you a half lap of the course. I can arrange it before the snow falls. A VW R32 wouldn't even come close to an e30 M3 on the track...especially in half-capable hands. Again....I am willing to pay for everything....your transportation to the track (and the car), any octane fuel you wish, I'll suit you up and everything. Like I mentioned...just make sure that you have a way to get home after I make you look silly. A naturally aspirated 4 cylinder car would make you look silly....what a beautiful thing.

A 20 year old, 192 HP, 4 cylinder BMW isn't in the same performance league as a new Corvette by any stretch of the imagination.

Period.

An E30 M3 in anything resembling stock form would have had great difficult staying with a C4 Corvette (L98 - 240 - 250 HP) from the same period (late 1980s).

That's been proven and documented on countless occasions.

[Bob_VT]

Originally Posted by 09TRD

You're referring to the dealer holdback, which on the Corvette (and all other Chevy products) is 3% of MSRP; that's not even close to the "$5,500" you claim.

http://www.edmunds.com/advice/incent...ack/index.html

Thus, a Corvette with an MSRP of $50K would have a $1,500 holdback.

It's not fixed as you suggested, either, but is based solely on the (varying by options) MSRP.

Furthermore, there's no "scam" involved," since every American manufacturer has dealer holdbacks and has had them for many decades. It's part of the business.

The Bowling Green trip you're referring to is actually an RPO option called "museum delivery." I didn't get that. The only people who do get it willingly request and pay for it.


You can avoid replies such as these in the future by performing some fact checking before you type.

Obviously you have never worked at a dealership. Dealer holdback is not what I am talking about. I am talking about the backend is what the dealer gets from GM...... it has nothing to do with the consumer. There is an average backend on a Silverado of a few grand too. Do you really think a dealer is only going to make 1500 on the holdback? That would not cover the overhead.

We would offer the Bowling Green delivery to customers who requested it. Personally I think you are just a wanna be ..... all mouth ....... as I read through I see more and more links and references. You are just full of stories yet you claim to have had all these cars....... didn't you mention that the yaris is a single season car and you have also owned Before that I owned a 2007 Acura TL Type S. I've also owned three Accords, a Taurus SHO and two 5.0 Mustangs - all purchased new..... and you now go to a Yaris? Either you have more money than brains or you have a trust fund.


Get a life.

Where is the picture of the Yaris with the vette?

[09TRD]

Originally Posted by Bob_VT

Obviously you have never worked at a dealership. Dealer holdback is not what I am talking about. I am talking about the backend is what the dealer gets from GM...... it has nothing to do with the consumer. There is an average backend on a Silverado of a few grand too. Do you really think a dealer is only going to make 1500 on the holdback? That would not cover the overhead.

Produce objective documentation that supports your claim.

[09TRD]

Originally Posted by Chupacabra

It's apparent that you are completely absent of any "real life" experience. My offer still stands....AAMOF, I'll hand you a half lap of the course. I can arrange it before the snow falls. A VW R32 wouldn't even come close to an e30 M3 on the track...especially in half-capable hands. Again....I am willing to pay for everything....your transportation to the track (and the car), any octane fuel you wish, I'll suit you up and everything. Like I mentioned...just make sure that you have a way to get home after I make you look silly. A naturally aspirated 4 cylinder car would make you look silly....what a beautiful thing.

This R32 is significantly quicker than the old M3 by every measure, has much stronger brakes and significantly more grip. Only its (easily defeated) governor keeps its top speed below that of the M3:

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...cs+page-2.html

The current generation Z51 Corvette dramatically outperforms both cars by every conceivable performance measure.

1988 E30 M3 (pathetic by modern performance car standards):


New base engine Corvette:

[Chupacabra]

I am still waiting for you to accept my invitation....??????? Let's do it! All these articles are good for a laugh but let's see the rubber hit the road.

[09TRD]

Originally Posted by Bob_VT

Obviously you have never worked at a dealership. Dealer holdback is not what I am talking about. I am talking about the backend is what the dealer gets from GM...... it has nothing to do with the consumer. There is an average backend on a Silverado of a few grand too. Do you really think a dealer is only going to make 1500 on the holdback? That would not cover the overhead.

We would offer the Bowling Green delivery to customers who requested it. Personally I think you are just a wanna be ..... all mouth ....... as I read through I see more and more links and references. You are just full of stories yet you claim to have had all these cars....... didn't you mention that the yaris is a single season car and you have also owned Before that I owned a 2007 Acura TL Type S. I've also owned three Accords, a Taurus SHO and two 5.0 Mustangs - all purchased new..... and you now go to a Yaris? Either you have more money than brains or you have a trust fund.


Get a life.

Where is the picture of the Yaris with the vette?

My Yaris is presently having a stereo installed in it, as documented elsewhere on this site. I'll snap a photo of it next week; meanwhile, here's the purchase and sales agreement (with sensitive info folded over/blanked out).

I'm also posting a pic of my Acura TL Type S; as you can see, the plate is the same as what I've got on my Corvette. That's because I traded the Acura for the 'Vette.

I bought the Yaris because I wanted a nice, small, economical, front drive car to offset the 'Vette, which I purchased as a "summer car."

So far, EVERY accusation or claim you've made has been readily disproved by me. Hint: DROP IT; you won't win.

[Chupacabra]

He might not win but I will. Let's go.....I am ready to snot on an LS3 as my 4th or 5th choice of summer car. Let's set it up!!???? I mean, how could you lose going up against the puny, whimpy e30 M3. It's not fast???? It'd be like racing somebody in a Yaris, right? I am waiting to hear back from you....to see if you will stand by your "objective documentation."

[Bob_VT]

Your should have kept the Acura

[Latka]

So uhm... what's with all the e-peenery? This is a site about the Yaris. No need to spew testosterone everywhere.

E30 M3. Cool car. Vette. Cool car. can we move on?

[09TRD]

Originally Posted by Bob_VT

Your should have kept the Acura

It handled like a boat, its brakes were sub-par (undersized rotors and noisy pads) and fuel economy was poor (for a V6 powered car).

The front end of the car would actually float and porpoise when driven with any enthusiasm. My two Accords were even worse in that regard. Honda has lost its way in suspension tuning.

The Acura's interior was its greatest strength.

What I should have done is traded the Acura for a 335 iX (AWD) BMW instead of buying the Corvette/Yaris pair.

I still like the Yaris, though.