Ignition vs. Roll start?

[Tamago]

save gas while slamming into the car in front of you when you have no power brakes?

yeah that sounds like a hypermiler.

[sbergman27]

Originally Posted by Tamago

save gas while slamming into the car in front of you when you have no power brakes? yeah that sounds like a hypermiler.

Momentum would be conserved.* So while the collision would hurt your fuel economy slightly, the guy you rear end should see a slightly better number on his next fill up.

-Steve

* Minus a little energy lost to heat during the collision itself.

[Tamago]

Originally Posted by sbergman27

Momentum would be conserved.* So while the collision would hurt your fuel economy slightly, the guy you rear end should see a slightly better number on his next fill up.

-Steve

* Minus a little energy lost to heat during the collision itself.

i am literally rolling on the floor laughing. thank you for your perfect explanation of "conservation of energy" law.

[BailOut]

Originally Posted by Tamago

save gas while slamming into the car in front of you when you have no power brakes?

yeah that sounds like a hypermiler.

You seemed to have missed the point that the brakes are still good for 4-5 touches before the vacuum needs to be recharged. I would also like to point out that in well over 3mil miles of hypermilers on the road, not a single hypermiling-related accident has been reported by drivers nor by any police force anywhere in the world.

I understand that hypermiling is different than what you know, but please do not sensationalize it. It is simply a different way to drive a car, and it works.

[sbergman27]

Originally Posted by BailOut

You seemed to have missed the point that the brakes are still good for 4-5 touches before the vacuum needs to be recharged.

And then there's steering... and added distraction... and delay in getting the engine going and the transmission back in gear should you unexpectedly need it. The list goes on...

I would also like to point out that in well over 3mil miles of hypermilers on the road, not a single hypermiling-related accident has been reported by drivers nor by any police force anywhere in the world.

You cannot possibly make that claim with any certainty. And it's very likely not true. I'd like to see some concrete evidence in support of that claim.

I understand that hypermiling is different than what you know, but please do not sensationalize it. It is simply a different way to drive a car, and it works.

Unsafe driving practices are unsafe driving practices. No matter how you want to want to gloss over them. Pointing out the added danger incurred by the hypermilers, and others who have to share the roads with them, is not, by any means, "sensationalizing" the matter.

There are reasonable fuel saving practices... which are, in general, good for safety, as well. And then there are foolish practices which annoy and endanger the hypermiler and others. Fortunately, the reasonable, safe, and non-annoying ones also yield the bulk of the actual FE benefits.

-Steve

[jhsouders]

Originally Posted by sbergman27

And then there's steering... and added distraction... and delay in getting the engine going and the transmission back in gear should you unexpectedly need it. The list goes on...


You cannot possibly make that claim with any certainty. And it's very likely not true. I'd like to see some concrete evidence in support of that claim.


Unsafe driving practices are unsafe driving practices. No matter how you want to want to gloss over them. Pointing out the added danger incurred by the hypermilers, and others who have to share the roads with them, is not, by any means, "sensationalizing" the matter.

There are reasonable fuel saving practices... which are, in general, good for safety, as well. And then there are foolish practices which annoy and endanger the hypermiler and others. Fortunately, the reasonable, safe, and non-annoying ones also yield the bulk of the actual FE benefits.

-Steve

Wow Steve, No evidence is required to state that no accidents have been caused by hypermilers, there is plenty of evidence to show of other driving methods causing accidents... aka drunk driving, falling asleep at the wheel, driving aggressively. But driving passively, or hypermiling is not one of them.

Hypermiling is much safer than the other driving methods i have previously stated, why are you ragging on it so much huh?

Hypermiling is all about the getting the most MPG out of your car without jeopardizing safety, we are not trying to get ourselves killed.

[yarrr]

Originally Posted by jhsouders

there is plenty of evidence to show of other driving methods causing accidents... aka drunk driving, falling asleep at the wheel, driving aggressively. But driving passively, or hypermiling is not one of them.

That's because there's no blood/breath test for smugness.

I like the fact we're still ignoring the fact that turning your engine off in motion is illegal in most states.

[jhsouders]

Originally Posted by yarrr

That's because there's no blood/breath test for smugness.

I like the fact we're still ignoring the fact that turning your engine off in motion is illegal in most states.

It may be illegal, but there is no way to prove that turning off your engine is indeed dangerous when you know what you're doing. Power steering doesn't matter at highway speeds, and you have about 5 pumps on the breaks before you lose those, on the highway you hardly ever use breaks anyway. For all the electronics, blinkers, and such, just turn your key back to the on position and you have it.

There really is no evidence that its dangerous to do so, or even any way for them to catch us in the act. As one person said, we can do it with passengers and they don't even notice it.

[fmicle]

Originally Posted by yarrr

That's because there's no blood/breath test for smugness.

I like the fact we're still ignoring the fact that turning your engine off in motion is illegal in most states.

Does that make a hybrid illegal?

[Canuck]

Originally Posted by fmicle

Does that make a hybrid illegal?

When tha gas engine goes off, full power is still applied by the electric. It's the shutting off of all power sources while in motion that is illegal.

[Tamago]

Originally Posted by BailOut

You seemed to have missed the point that the brakes are still good for 4-5 touches before the vacuum needs to be recharged.

4-5 touches, but in that panic moment when you NEED the vacuum, where is it? .8 miles back when you getting a boner over saving 3oz of fuel.....

I would also like to point out that in well over 3mil miles of hypermilers on the road, not a single hypermiling-related accident has been reported by drivers nor by any police force anywhere in the world.

so you think a hypermiler is going to report that his/her own stupid actions caused him to rear-end the guy in front of him? "yes officer, well, i turned off my engine, to save fuel, and somehow it rear-ended the guy in front of me in the process".. yeah right... he/she told the cop that the "throttle stuck" and he was forced to slam into the guy in front..... wait, that sounds VERY familiar.

I understand that hypermiling is different than what you know,

i perfectly understand the obsession with "saving 3mpg".. it's much like collecting baseball cards or "action figures" hoping that in 30 years they'll be worth something..

but please do not sensationalize it.

there's nothing sensational about wasting time to save pennies It is simply a compromise for time over distance.. a different way to drive a car, and it works.[/QUOTE]

you do what you gotta do... but congratulating a guy about his ability to coast down a hill sans-power-braking is just retarded. it's not worth the ounces of fuel saved... especially considering the fact that most of you are wasting the money spent on gas...... on some other stupid obsession, like action figure collections...

[sbergman27]

Originally Posted by Tamago

it's not worth the ounces of fuel saved...

One thing that generally gets lost in these discussions is the true motivation. It's not the pennies worth of fuel saved. It's being able to go on forums like these and say "I finally hit 50 mpg!" and have a couple dozen people 'attaboy you for doing so well. That's the true motivation and potential pay off.

-Steve

[BailOut]

Originally Posted by sbergman27

One thing that generally gets lost in these discussions is the true motivation. It's not the pennies worth of fuel saved. It's being able to go on forums like these and say "I finally hit 50 mpg!" and have a couple dozen people 'attaboy you for doing so well. That's the true motivation and potential pay off.

-Steve

That's quite an assumption on your part, and an incorrect one at that.

I'm beginning to sense a pattern here...

[sbergman27]

Originally Posted by BailOut

That's quite an assumption on your part

If you are arguing that a general sense of "I'm being green" is often involved, I would agree. But by the time one gets to things like coasting with the engine off, the game has become more about the numbers than about the green.

-Steve

[BailOut]

Originally Posted by sbergman27

If you are arguing that a general sense of "I'm being green" is often involved, I would agree. But by the time one gets to things like coasting with the engine off, the game has become more about the numbers than about the green.

-Steve

That's quite an assumption on your part, and an incorrect one at that.

I DO sense a pattern here...

[1stToyota]

Originally Posted by sbergman27

One thing that generally gets lost in these discussions is the true motivation. It's not the pennies worth of fuel saved. It's being able to go on forums like these and say "I finally hit 50 mpg!" and have a couple dozen people 'attaboy you for doing so well. That's the true motivation and potential pay off.

-Steve

You're wrong, it IS about the pennies, or at least it is with the guy you're debating. Not too long ago he worked it out that if someone is able to avoid using one's blower motor for 75 years!! they'll save enough $$ to get 2 free tanks of fuel in their Yaris. WOW! I doubt that anybody has ever done that or will ever do that so I guess we'll trust his math.

I don't know, I drive with the flow of traffic, run 32 psi in my tires, leave my engine running when going down hills, use my accessories, ignore my gas gauge until it's time for a refill and still manage to get between 41-44 mpg...probably close to the average hypermiler w/ their mpg banners in their sigs, at this forum.

[Loren]

Originally Posted by Tamago

especially considering the fact that most of you are wasting the money spent on gas...

I waste the money I save by hypermiling (which, honestly, is NOT very much... I added it up to maybe $150/year max) on motorsports entry fees!

I don't get extreme with it. I don't drive slower than the flow of traffic, and generally don't accelerate slower than they typical "slow poke", I don't run red lights, and... what was this thread about? Oh yeah... I don't shut off the ignition in my normal driving. To me, it's far more trouble than it's worth for daily driving.

As with many things, there are different levels of "hypermiling". Don't assume that everyone who does it is the extreme example. I do it merely to entertain and challenge myself in some way other than pushing the limits of the car's acceleration and handling ability on the street. Keeps me out of trouble.

[1stToyota]

Originally Posted by BailOut

You seemed to have missed the point that the brakes are still good for 4-5 touches before the vacuum needs to be recharged.

I'm sorry, but a guy going down hill w/ the motor shut off, counting how many safe touches are left in his brakes is like a guy playing Russian roulette bragging that he's still got 5 empty chambers.