Official Richard Holdener who wants to buy an intake manifold list

[tk-421]

Originally Posted by bladesmith6

Don't worry peter, at 700 bucks a pop you aren't going to find many other people dumb enough to buy it. ridiculous...

I honestly think you are mistaken. $700 is a good chunk of change, but the price/pony ratio is definitely worth every penny.
Sure, I would've preferred the mani with better gains at the bottom/mid range, but this is still a great buy in my book.

[Klink10]

Reading back through this....will you also test with various other add ons in addition to the prototype long tube header? For example say mods that most have made like pulleys, axle backs and headers currently offered so folks will have a vague idea what to expect as to function and power output?

[richardholdener]

In the book that I am finishing on B-segments cars, I have already tested the TRD axle back, aem CAI, TRD CAI, dropping the exhaust entirely, custom CAI, NOS nitrous and low-boost turbo as well as all the testing on the intake. I would like to run a direct back to back on the pulleys and the shorty header if someone would allow me to borrow them for testing.

Originally Posted by Klink10

Reading back through this....will you also test with various other add ons in addition to the prototype long tube header? For example say mods that most have made like pulleys, axle backs and headers currently offered so folks will have a vague idea what to expect as to function and power output?

[pinoypizzaboy]

Originally Posted by richardholdener

In the book that I am finishing on B-segments cars, I have already tested the TRD axle back, aem CAI, TRD CAI, dropping the exhaust entirely, custom CAI, NOS nitrous and low-boost turbo as well as all the testing on the intake. I would like to run a direct back to back on the pulleys and the shorty header if someone would allow me to borrow them for testing.

i have dc 4-1 headaer NST underdrive pulleys and vegas local i can lend u the car for a day

[Klink10]

Rich I wish I could provide those pieces for you, however my car wouldn't run if I did. Having said what you have done (B cars), I assume you are happy with the results or we wouldn't be where we are today. So, I am looking forward to the conclusion and again thanks.

[PETERPOOP]

you started making them yet!?

engrave "peterpoop" into mine. j/j

[bladesmith6]

Ok, here is my opinion since apparently I am the only one who feels this way(or hasn't lost their perspective) I don't give a damn about the "horsepower to dollar ratio" that everyone keeps yammering about. I am talking purely about price for a certain type of part. For a non race manifold you generally see around 250-550 dollars, now I'm sure this manifold is the same basic construction, flange, 4 tubes, air chamber nothing earth shattering. No space age materials, no moving parts, no magic. Those manifolds are pumped out at a factory so prices can be lower because of volume, yours is closer to hand made, so no argument there. So sell the plans to edelbrock or victor or whomever you want, let THEM provide your profit margin instead of extorting a group of people who bought a subcompact car and are trying to have a little fun with what they can afford. Obviously the second I post this everyone who put themselves on the list is going to jump me saying how justified the price is, but I can't help thinking it is only because they have nowhere else to go.

[Yoda]

Originally Posted by bladesmith6

Ok, here is my opinion since apparently I am the only one who feels this way(or hasn't lost their perspective) I don't give a damn about the "horsepower to dollar ratio" that everyone keeps yammering about. I am talking purely about price for a certain type of part. For a non race manifold you generally see around 250-550 dollars, now I'm sure this manifold is the same basic construction, flange, 4 tubes, air chamber nothing earth shattering. No space age materials, no moving parts, no magic. Those manifolds are pumped out at a factory so prices can be lower because of volume, yours is closer to hand made, so no argument there. So sell the plans to edelbrock or victor or whomever you want, let THEM provide your profit margin instead of extorting a group of people who bought a subcompact car and are trying to have a little fun with what they can afford. Obviously the second I post this everyone who put themselves on the list is going to jump me saying how justified the price is, but I can't help thinking it is only because they have nowhere else to go.

^^^^simple laws of supply and demand buddy. No1 else make them so there is nothing to put it up against to say if its a bargin or not.. no competition. I personally think its and ok price for it but i see your point and i think its valid.

[thepoche]

Originally Posted by bladesmith6

Ok, here is my opinion since apparently I am the only one who feels this way(or hasn't lost their perspective) I don't give a damn about the "horsepower to dollar ratio" that everyone keeps yammering about. I am talking purely about price for a certain type of part. For a non race manifold you generally see around 250-550 dollars, now I'm sure this manifold is the same basic construction, flange, 4 tubes, air chamber nothing earth shattering. No space age materials, no moving parts, no magic. Those manifolds are pumped out at a factory so prices can be lower because of volume, yours is closer to hand made, so no argument there. So sell the plans to edelbrock or victor or whomever you want, let THEM provide your profit margin instead of extorting a group of people who bought a subcompact car and are trying to have a little fun with what they can afford. Obviously the second I post this everyone who put themselves on the list is going to jump me saying how justified the price is, but I can't help thinking it is only because they have nowhere else to go.

Of course he's going to charge extra. He did all the r&d and he's the first to offer this kind of part.

If you don't want to pay the price, wait for a chinese company to make a cheap knock off and buy it on ebay for a 100$

[kou]

i have spent more for less power so far,this is the missing link . the yaris may get a little scary on a cold nights up north.this little machine is surprising sometimes.

[richardholdener]

This is such great information, I hardly know where to start. Let me get this straight. All anyone has to do is connect 4 tubes to a flange and (what is you called it?) an air chamber and viola--its instant intake manifold. I think that is exactly what the OEMs do-I mean why go to the trouble of hiring engineers with degrees in fluidynamics when you can get all the information you need on intake design right here from Mr. Pinkblade. Here is an offer of a free intake manifold since it is obvious you can't afford to buy one (despite a favorable bang/buck score). I will give you a free intake if you can tell me what the three forms of charge filling are associated with an intake design. You may have guessed by now that there is much more to an intake manifold than your previous description (we call the earlier comments sarcasm). I'll throw in a free long-tube header if you can tell me what the problem is asssociated with combining the three forms. You have all of the internet and every book ever written to source the information-you have 1 week.

PS-I welcome you to build your own manifold, start by running extensive testing on a minimum of 50 different intake combinations, then produce a 1st article and do a production run. You may want to check out the current cost of aluminum, welding time, fixture manufacturing, CNC machine work, tube bending, gaskets, vacuum and water lines to say nothing of your time. Please let me know if you can build an intake like this one for $250 so I can purchase them in bulk.

Originally Posted by bladesmith6

Ok, here is my opinion since apparently I am the only one who feels this way(or hasn't lost their perspective) I don't give a damn about the "horsepower to dollar ratio" that everyone keeps yammering about. I am talking purely about price for a certain type of part. For a non race manifold you generally see around 250-550 dollars, now I'm sure this manifold is the same basic construction, flange, 4 tubes, air chamber nothing earth shattering. No space age materials, no moving parts, no magic. Those manifolds are pumped out at a factory so prices can be lower because of volume, yours is closer to hand made, so no argument there. So sell the plans to edelbrock or victor or whomever you want, let THEM provide your profit margin instead of extorting a group of people who bought a subcompact car and are trying to have a little fun with what they can afford. Obviously the second I post this everyone who put themselves on the list is going to jump me saying how justified the price is, but I can't help thinking it is only because they have nowhere else to go.

[largeorangefont]

I'll take that header :P It will just take me about 30 minutes to type up the post.

[tk-421]

Originally Posted by largeorangefont

I'll take that header :P It will just take me about 30 minutes to type up the post.

Dude, you don't have to go into so much detail! It's been over 3 hours already!

[cee_dub2003]

Originally Posted by richardholdener

This is such great information, I hardly know where to start. Let me get this straight. All anyone has to do is connect 4 tubes to a flange and (what is you called it?) an air chamber and viola--its instant intake manifold. I think that is exactly what the OEMs do-I mean why go to the trouble of hiring engineers with degrees in fluidynamics when you can get all the information you need on intake design right here from Mr. Pinkblade. Here is an offer of a free intake manifold since it is obvious you can't afford to buy one (despite a favorable bang/buck score). I will give you a free intake if you can tell me what the three forms of charge filling are associated with an intake design. You may have guessed by now that there is much more to an intake manifold than your previous description (we call the earlier comments sarcasm). I'll throw in a free long-tube header if you can tell me what the problem is asssociated with combining the three forms. You have all of the internet and every book ever written to source the information-you have 1 week.

PS-I welcome you to build your own manifold, start by running extensive testing on a minimum of 50 different intake combinations, then produce a 1st article and do a production run. You may want to check out the current cost of aluminum, welding time, fixture manufacturing, CNC machine work, tube bending, gaskets, vacuum and water lines to say nothing of your time. Please let me know if you can build an intake like this one for $250 so I can purchase them in bulk.

Richard are you saying you have done all that with the making of the Yaris Manifold? You showing a dyno must say there is a protoype of some sort!
You stated in the posting of the dyno! I quote"Here is the dyno grap of the stock vs new intake that was removed previously."

Is there a reason for not showing the one that was previously remove. To give the forum a better idea of what they are committing to?

Also quoting you from another post. "leaves me with no motor to develope the intake manifold-we have removed the damaged motor"

Develop an intake manifold? I thought by showing a dyno of the gains you would have a manifold?

I am just trying to put all this info together!

Please if you can explain!

thanks

[richardholdener]

Please take a look at this and the other posts under intake manifold. The prototype has been tested the only necessary is to get the design to fit toproduce the production piece. Fitment will not change design parameters that produce desired power curve.

Originally Posted by cee_dub2003

Richard are you saying you have done all that with the making of the Yaris Manifold? You showing a dyno must say there is a protoype of some sort!
You stated in the posting of the dyno! I quote"Here is the dyno grap of the stock vs new intake that was removed previously."

Is there a reason for not showing the one that was previously remove. To give the forum a better idea of what they are committing to?

Also quoting you from another post. "leaves me with no motor to develope the intake manifold-we have removed the damaged motor"

Develop an intake manifold? I thought by showing a dyno of the gains you would have a manifold?

I am just trying to put all this info together!

Please if you can explain!

thanks

[tk-421]

Supply and demand, bladesmith6... Supply and demand...

If you see a hole in the market for $500 manis, then get them made and sell them! Hell, if they're decent enough to compete with these manis I may even get one from ya.

Richard has spent a lot of time testing this part, and to me that is worth something. Plus, it's not like Joe the Plumber made it, now is it?

[Yoda]

its cold down here now and o man it has a kik to it now. i actually feel tq :)

[PETERPOOP]

i'm buying it because noone else is making one. simple