Love my Yaris...

[Latka]

Yeah, but the SHO Taurus was from the what...late 80s? I would hope a car with 20+ years more development could kick it's butt. :) It had a great (Yamaha?) V-6 in it from what I recall.

I can't wait to get my Yaris. Still trying to get things lined up out here...and then it looks like I'm going to have to wait to get mine after that - base model yellow 5MT 2 door hatchback.

[09TRD]

Originally Posted by Latka

Yeah, but the SHO Taurus was from the what...late 80s? I would hope a car with 20+ years more development could kick it's butt. :) It had a great (Yamaha?) V-6 in it from what I recall.

I can't wait to get my Yaris. Still trying to get things lined up out here...and then it looks like I'm going to have to wait to get mine after that - base model yellow 5MT 2 door hatchback.

Try READING before you respond.

Here is the comment I was addressing:

Originally Posted by Bob_VT

The SHO was a fun car to blow off 5.0 mustangs..... I used to enjoy the looks on the face of people when they thought it was a family car.

I compared a "5.0 Mustang" to a later model year Taurus SHO.

The Mustang smokes the SHO, which is contrary to what was claimed.

[500snakz]

The vette gets excellent gas milage for a v8.

[voodoo22]

Originally Posted by 09TRD

For those who "wish" they had "nicer cars, listen to me: They are "nice" in some respects, but they are also very over-rated and introduce as many hassles as they do rewards.

Like paying $900 to replace one rear tire, vs the Yaris where I bought top of the line winter tires and steel rims for $650. I don't miss the cost of nicer that's for sure.

[eTiMaGo]

hey hey calm down guys, sounds like just a misunderstanding, no harm done, let's leave it at that, ok?

[ChinoCharles]

Chupacabra, I think we can all agree you slap harder. Now let the dude bask in the glow of his new vehicle.

[09TRD]

Here's a vintage road test of a 1966 SS 396; this one had the "360 HP" 396.

It ran a 15.85 @ 91 MPH; many modern, garden variety 4 cylinder cars (e.g. 4 cylinder, 5 speed Nissan Altima) could run with that.

Most of these old engines were DOGS by modern standards. The few that did go were rare, expensive and never made more than 375 SAE NET HP (the way modern engines are rated). Most of them made much, much less.

[drbilal]

Relax guys, you both have nice cars.


Now, lets see some pics of the the yaris.

[Bob_VT]

Would like to see a picture of the Yaris parked nose to nose with the Vette...............

Or are we going to get a link to a site that has a magazine review?

[Chupacabra]

Originally Posted by Bob_VT

Or are we going to get a link to a site that has a magazine review?

[09TRD]

Originally Posted by Bob_VT

Would like to see a picture of the Yaris parked nose to nose with the Vette...............

Or are we going to get a link to a site that has a magazine review?

I'll snap a picture of both cars together next week and will post it.

I have HUNDREDS of "magazine reviews" from "the muscle car era," have driven many of them and have a mechanical engineering degree on top of it.

Your "opinions" of those old boats, while common, is based primarily in myth and legend and, as such, is essentially baseless.

Here is the absolute king of "the muscle car era." The engine option (RPO ZL1) cost more than an entire base Camaro of the period and was all but useless on the street. It would barely idle, woudn't start in cold weather and fouled plugs quicker than a rattlesnake can bite. In its "as delivered" state it made a whole 376 SAE NET HP (as measured at the flywheel and in its "as delivered" state), despite the fact that it was essentially a racing engine with an exhaust system. Figure 320 HP at the drivewheels as measured on a modern chassis dyno.

http://www.camaros.org/copo.shtml

That's chicken feed by modern, high performance street car standards. Your favored "1966 SS 396" made but a fraction of that peak power and was nothing more than a glorified station wagon engine wrapped in a cheap car with some fancy trim and a lot of advertising hype.

So is this (315 peak drivewheel HP from a certified production line stock 426 Hemi): http://www.moparmusclemagazine.com/r...426/index.html

My LS3 Corvette will put 380+ drivewheel HP to the ground without any real effort and will do it on 91 octane unleaded gas (as opposed to leaded racing fuel) and with just 6.2 liters and with catalytic converters and all other modern emissions equipment in place).

And that Corvette, while fast, is relatively mundane by modern performance standards (not to mention poorly built).

You've got a whole lot of learning to do if you don't understand why modern engines make a lot more power per unit of displacement than the old crap did. (Modern computational software and the cylinder head/chamber design breakthroughs that software has yielded represent the single greatest advantage in power and efficiency.)

[Chupacabra]

Originally Posted by 09TRD

I have HUNDREDS of "magazine reviews" from "the muscle car era," have driven many of them and have a mechanical engineering degree on top of it.

I find this quite humorous. Magazine articles and ME degrees....exactly as predicted....a "Joe Pro." Do you know how many idiots that I deal with daily with basic ME degrees?....C'mon man. Just because somebody has an ME degree doesn't mean shit....it means that they are able to do fancy math equations that are meaningless 90% of the time.

Maybe I'll post up how I have 2 "Advanced" Engineering degrees, a BSBA and an MBA. Maybe that'll buy me some more credibility.

Still waiting to hear about your vette taking on my whimpy, slow 4 cylinder....It's never to late for me to add another vette to my collection...

[09TRD]

Originally Posted by Chupacabra

Still waiting to hear about your vette taking on my whimpy, slow 4 cylinder....It's never to late for me to add another vette to my collection...

Your entire premise is beyond ludicrous.

As you can see, a new Z51 equipped Corvette like mine is fully capable of putting the NEW M3 away on a road racing circuit. And the new M3 is much, much faster than the 4 cylinder M3 from the late 1980s.

In the real world, an old M3 would be hard pressed to stay with the VW R32 in that test.

http://www.caranddriver.com/content/...08+Results.pdf

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...p_2008_feature

[Chupacabra]

Originally Posted by 09TRD

Your entire premise is beyond ludicrous.

As you can see, a new Z51 equipped Corvette like mine is fully capable of putting the NEW M3 away on a road racing circuit. And the new M3 is much, much faster than the 4 cylinder M3 from the late 1980s.

In the real world, an old M3 would be hard pressed to stay with the VW R32 in that test.

http://www.caranddriver.com/content/...08+Results.pdf

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...p_2008_feature

It's apparent that you are completely absent of any "real life" experience. My offer still stands....AAMOF, I'll hand you a half lap of the course. I can arrange it before the snow falls. A VW R32 wouldn't even come close to an e30 M3 on the track...especially in half-capable hands. Again....I am willing to pay for everything....your transportation to the track (and the car), any octane fuel you wish, I'll suit you up and everything. Like I mentioned...just make sure that you have a way to get home after I make you look silly. A naturally aspirated 4 cylinder car would make you look silly....what a beautiful thing.

[Bob_VT]

It is the fine line between practice and theory....... I was right!

All of the consumer magazine tests tell us that the Yaris gets 36-37 mpg but many of us get more....... I guess in 20 years we can reference those magazine articles too.

I worked for a Chev dealer back in 2005. The Corvettes were nice and they maintained over 6000 profit on the front side and 5500 on the dealers back end profit. It meant that every vette that went out the door even 500 under invoice gave the dealer 5000 in his profit. If a customer wanted to take delivery in Bowling Green we would arrange that too. It was a scam.

[09TRD]

Originally Posted by Bob_VT

The Corvettes were nice and they maintained over 6000 profit on the front side and 5500 on the dealers back end profit. It meant that every vette that went out the door even 500 under invoice gave the dealer 5000 in his profit. If a customer wanted to take delivery in Bowling Green we would arrange that too. It was a scam.

You're referring to the dealer holdback, which on the Corvette (and all other Chevy products) is 3% of MSRP; that's not even close to the "$5,500" you claim.

http://www.edmunds.com/advice/incent...ack/index.html

Thus, a Corvette with an MSRP of $50K would have a $1,500 holdback.

It's not fixed as you suggested, either, but is based solely on the (varying by options) MSRP.

Furthermore, there's no "scam" involved," since every American manufacturer has dealer holdbacks and has had them for many decades. It's part of the business.

The Bowling Green trip you're referring to is actually an RPO option called "museum delivery." I didn't get that. The only people who do get it willingly request and pay for it.


You can avoid replies such as these in the future by performing some fact checking before you type.

[Bob_VT]

Originally Posted by 09TRD

You're referring to the dealer holdback, which on the Corvette (and all other Chevy products) is 3% of MSRP; that's not even close to the "$5,500" you claim.

http://www.edmunds.com/advice/incent...ack/index.html

Thus, a Corvette with an MSRP of $50K would have a $1,500 holdback.

It's not fixed as you suggested, either, but is based solely on the (varying by options) MSRP.

Furthermore, there's no "scam" involved," since every American manufacturer has dealer holdbacks and has had them for many decades. It's part of the business.

The Bowling Green trip you're referring to is actually an RPO option called "museum delivery." I didn't get that. The only people who do get it willingly request and pay for it.


You can avoid replies such as these in the future by performing some fact checking before you type.

Obviously you have never worked at a dealership. Dealer holdback is not what I am talking about. I am talking about the backend is what the dealer gets from GM...... it has nothing to do with the consumer. There is an average backend on a Silverado of a few grand too. Do you really think a dealer is only going to make 1500 on the holdback? That would not cover the overhead.

We would offer the Bowling Green delivery to customers who requested it. Personally I think you are just a wanna be ..... all mouth ....... as I read through I see more and more links and references. You are just full of stories yet you claim to have had all these cars....... didn't you mention that the yaris is a single season car and you have also owned Before that I owned a 2007 Acura TL Type S. I've also owned three Accords, a Taurus SHO and two 5.0 Mustangs - all purchased new..... and you now go to a Yaris? Either you have more money than brains or you have a trust fund.


Get a life.

Where is the picture of the Yaris with the vette?

[09TRD]

Originally Posted by Bob_VT

Obviously you have never worked at a dealership. Dealer holdback is not what I am talking about. I am talking about the backend is what the dealer gets from GM...... it has nothing to do with the consumer. There is an average backend on a Silverado of a few grand too. Do you really think a dealer is only going to make 1500 on the holdback? That would not cover the overhead.

Produce objective documentation that supports your claim.