K&N Filters

[1stToyota]

Originally Posted by 1stToyota

"Oh, so Toyota is installing K&N filters on every vehicle, or probably way less than 1% of the new vehicles being sold...thought so."


You missed the "or" ...but of course you miss a lot on this thread, right? Thought so.

Originally Posted by b_hickman11

Thats exactly what I have been trying to get you to realize!!

No, I'm trying to make you realize just how misleading K&N is when they state their "increase in performance and acceleration" claim that's listed with the Yaris P/N on the K&N *buy now* link - IF they were honest they'd put the "K&N Power Gain Search by Vehicle" link right next to the "buy now" option. They won't ever do that, they might lose some sales.

I know you never said you had one in your Yaris. I was just setting you up to say, "I don't even have one," even though you are making all of these claims about them in our Yaris's.

I never made any claims about the Yaris, I knew it'd never be power that could be felt on a stock Yaris, I'm just asking about K&N's so-called "claims" about increased performance on their boxes and what they claim on their buy-me-right-now page...and what other people say on these type threads.

You are making your claim on other vehicles and stuff you found on the internet rather than actual results you have seen in your own Yaris.

I've had K&N on my other vehicles, and I made a decision about K&N based on my experience...in 26 years at this I've been under a hood or 2. I stick with what I saw. Next time I'll get you a photo so you won't belly ache and get defensive for days, hopefully.

The K&N filter for the Yaris might actual decrease the stock HP. The information that you are looking at on their site is just their general overall statement about their filters.

To increase their sales, I trust. The info is a sales pitch for the Yaris owner that went to the trouble to see what P/N fit their car, and just above the buy link is the claim about increased performance. Sad.

If you keep researching you will find where it states that actual, real world HP increase will differ. Thats why they have the link "K&N Power Gain Search by Vehicle."

That's something a buyer does AFTER they've already hit the "buy me" now link, perhaps, or never does at all when they have the filter in their hands at the parts store, reading the claims on their box?

Just because the K&N will increase a Mustang by 15 HP doesn't mean it will do the same for a Yaris.

Wonder why they say "increase in performance and acceleration" ...on every box?

[b_hickman11]

Originally Posted by 1stToyota

No, I'm trying to make you realize just how misleading K&N is when they state their "increase in performance and acceleration" claim that's listed with the Yaris P/N on the K&N *buy now* link - IF they were honest they'd put the "K&N Power Gain Search by Vehicle" link right next to the "buy now" option. They won't ever do that, they might lose some sales.




I never made any claims about the Yaris, I knew it'd never be power that could be felt on a stock Yaris, I'm just asking about K&N's so-called "claims" about increased performance on their boxes and what they claim on their buy-me-right-now page...and what other people say on these type threads.




I've had K&N on my other vehicles, and I made a decision about K&N based on my experience...in 26 years at this I've been under a hood or 2. I stick with what I saw. Next time I'll get you a photo so you won't belly ache and get defensive for days, hopefully.



To increase their sales, I trust. The info is a sales pitch for the Yaris owner that went to the trouble to see what P/N fit their car, and just above the buy link is the claim about increased performance. Sad.






That's something a buyer does AFTER they've already hit the "buy me" now link, perhaps, or never does at all when they have the filter in their hands at the parts store, reading the claims on their box?




Wonder why they say "increase in performance and acceleration" ...on every box?

They have a link on their Homepage to find out the HP gains. That sounds honest to me. You had to go through several pages to get to “Buy Now.” Maybe their webmaster thought people were smarter than that, but I guess not.

You are on a Yaris web site talking about how bad they are for the Yaris. So I would say that you are making a claim!

And if you want some pics, then here you go!

The first pic is of my carbon trap on the wife's 07 with 36,000 miles with a K&N. If you notice, it is still completely white, just like when it came over on the boat. My 08 with 24,000 miles with a K&N is still white too!

The second and third pics are of the intake. Our intakes are not design like those on a high performance race car, as you probably already know. They are not designed to have air forced into the system. Rather it is design to suck in fresh air that is coming from around the headlight. So there is not even enough air stream to push oil up into the air. And I'm sure you know how gravity works....so if the filter does get over oiled, it will drain down into the bottom of the air box while the car is at rest. So maybe your other vehicles you have tested a K&N filter on had a poor design of an intake or maybe you had one of those system where you wanted to force every bit of air you could possibly get in.

[1stToyota]

Originally Posted by b_hickman11

They have a link on their Homepage to find out the HP gains. That sounds honest to me. You had to go through several pages to get to “Buy Now.” Maybe their webmaster thought people were smarter than that, but I guess not.

You are on a Yaris web site talking about how bad they are for the Yaris. So I would say that you are making a claim!

And if you want some pics, then here you go!

The first pic is of my carbon trap on the wife's 07 with 36,000 miles with a K&N. If you notice, it is still completely white, just like when it came over on the boat. My 08 with 24,000 miles with a K&N is still white too!

The second and third pics are of the intake. Our intakes are not design like those on a high performance race car, as you probably already know. They are not designed to have air forced into the system. Rather it is design to suck in fresh air that is coming from around the headlight. So there is not even enough air stream to push oil up into the air. And I'm sure you know how gravity works....so if the filter does get over oiled, it will drain down into the bottom of the air box while the car is at rest. So maybe your other vehicles you have tested a K&N filter on had a poor design of an intake or maybe you had one of those system where you wanted to force every bit of air you could possibly get in.

No, not too honest when you consider what's written on every single filter box they stick a filter in, not honest at all.

Show me where I said it's bad for the Yaris. Never said that, not once. I'm trying to get you to just explain what they mean by making so-called increased performance claims on the Yaris box and the Yaris *buy me now* link from K&N's site.

And thanks for chosing me to devote your attention to when others are saying things against K&N on this thread.

Guess you can't comprehend the velocity of the airflow @ WOT

I don't know...doesn't appear that the dust problem is quite as scarey as you made it out to be. A paper filter would probably last longer than 1 month, like you claimed, and could probably be just shaken out & with a little bit of low pressure shop air applied could be put back in service just as easy as the K&N.

[b_hickman11]

Originally Posted by 1stToyota

No, not too honest when you consider what's written on every single filter box they stick a filter in, not honest at all.

Show me where I said it's bad for the Yaris. Never said that, not once. I'm trying to get you to just explain what they mean by making so-called increased performance claims on the Yaris box and the Yaris *buy me now* link from K&N's site.

And thanks for chosing me to devote your attention to when others are saying things against K&N on this thread.

Guess you can't comprehend the velocity of the airflow @ WOT

I don't know...doesn't appear that the dust problem is quite as scarey as you made it out to be. A paper filter would probably last longer than 1 month, like you claimed, and could probably be just shaken out & with a little bit of low pressure shop air applied could be put back in service just as easy as the K&N.

Once again we go back to the fact of how do you know it's not honest?? Have you tested it?? Have you seen someone test it on a Yaris? How do you know it doesn't increase the HP? Are you God and your just not telling us. Come on now, don't hold out....because I have a lot of questions!

How does it not "appear that the dust problem..." is bad?

Yes there have been about 2 or 3 other people that have posted that they don't like K&N for some reason or another. Just like there have been other people stating that they do like them....so whats your point?

[1stToyota]

Originally Posted by b_hickman11

Once again we go back to the fact of how do you know it's not honest?? Have you tested it?? Have you seen someone test it on a Yaris? How do you know it doesn't increase the HP? Are you God and your just not telling us. Come on now, don't hold out....because I have a lot of questions!

How does it not "appear that the dust problem..." is bad?

Yes there have been about 2 or 3 other people that have posted that they don't like K&N for some reason or another. Just like there have been other people stating that they do like them....so whats your point?

You're a mess. Didn't you say that their link said NO HP increase for the Yaris drop-in, only the cone P/N? Correct? Still with me? Now my question again...how then do they claim an increase in performance and acceleration for the Yaris drop-in, on the buy now link, and on the box? Tell me.

My point?...fetch.

[b_hickman11]

Originally Posted by 1stToyota

You're a mess. Didn't you say that their link said NO HP increase for the Yaris drop-in, only the cone P/N? Correct? Still with me? Now my question again...how then do they claim an increase in performance and acceleration for the Yaris drop-in, on the buy now link, and on the box? Tell me.

My point?...fetch.

No, thats not what I said. I said it shows an exact number for the cone. It does not show a number for the drop-in. It doesn't say "No increase" or "0" beside nor did I say that it did. It doesn't say anything beside it.

You're the one that said that the filter will not give the Yaris an increase in HP. You're the one that is claiming that their statement is false. I have never said it was true or false. I have said that the filter might increase HP or it might even decrease HP. But I don't know because I have not had it tested in my vehicle.

So back to what got this all started. HOW do you know that their statement is false? You already said you have never used one in a Yaris or you have not tested one. So if you are going to make a claim or attack someone else's claim, you have to have proof to back it up rather than saying that it will not increase HP. It's common sense. So, please show us your proof. If you can prove it then I, as well as others on here will finally listen to you. But until you show some proof, you are just blowing smoke!

p.s. Why do you think my conditions aren't as dusty as I said they were?

[1stToyota]

Originally Posted by b_hickman11

No, thats not what I said. I said it shows an exact number for the cone. It does not show a number for the drop-in. It doesn't say "No increase" or "0" beside nor did I say that it did. It doesn't say anything beside it.

You said that there are no claims, NONE, for a performance increase in the Yaris (dropin)...and that's simply a lie and false advertisement, look at their box that the Yaris Dropin comes in.

"This is Yaris World, not Hondalovers.com. Where are they pushing the claim for the Yaris? If you go to the K&N website and look at the Yaris drop-in claims, you will notice that there are NONE!!!"

You're the one that said that the filter will not give the Yaris an increase in HP.

No, I said it was a sound mod and it can be reused, and it won't save big $$ at the pump, or give power that can be felt, like some seem to claim, that's when you lost it and all hell broke loose.

You're the one that is claiming that their statement is false.

You, way back on page 2 when you pretended that K&N now stands for an economy filter, and not just a performance filter (Yaris drop-in) LMAO, even tho' it says it's to improve performance right on the Yaris filter box?

I have never said it was true or false. I have said that the filter might increase HP or it might even decrease HP. But I don't know because I have not had it tested in my vehicle.

Looks like you don't know much, except how to get defensive about your fanboi filter.

So back to what got this all started. HOW do you know that their statement is false? You already said you have never used one in a Yaris or you have not tested one.

No, it all started because you couldn't handle what I stated about the TOYOTA Avalon, but you didn't seem to mind it when others said the K&N lost performance on the dyno, when every K&N box talks about a so-called increase in performance.

So if you are going to make a claim or attack someone else's claim, you have to have proof to back it up rather than saying that it will not increase HP. It's common sense.

Like I said before about your evasion, IF there was a HP increase K&N would mention it, just like they do for the cone...no problems with giving out a number for that P/N, but they avoid doing so with the other Yaris P/N...but they STILL promise performance and acceleration increase on the Yaris box...HOW? They did a test to backup that so-called claim? Really? Where's their numbers to prove that increase claim? But you said it might even decrease, so you seem just as unsure about it as I do.

So, please show us your proof. If you can prove it then I, as well as others on here will finally listen to you. But until you show some proof, you are just blowing smoke!

p.s. Why do you think my conditions aren't as dusty as I said they were?

How often do you wash your engine?