Hit wheel on wall, +camber/toe-out - Toyota Yaris Forums

eii · 07-12-2009, 07:52 PM

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Loren · 07-12-2009, 07:57 PM

Most likely a bent lower control arm. Being the bolt-on part between the wheel hub and the subframe, it is designed to sacrifice itself to protect the subframe in just such a situation.

eii · 07-12-2009, 08:23 PM

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1NZYaris1 · 07-12-2009, 08:44 PM

here is the link too the factory repair manual
look under the suspension catagory for spec's and trouble shooting

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1768

or you can PM me your email and i can send it too you .

Loren · 07-12-2009, 08:56 PM

Toe eats tires a lot more than camber does. As long as you don't have more than a degree or so of positive camber, it should be okay to drive for a while.

Good luck!

eii · 07-12-2009, 11:35 PM

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PhilD424 · 07-14-2009, 11:10 PM

Broken Axle?

eii · 07-22-2009, 09:49 AM

Changing the lower control arm didnt help. I see some possible damage on the crossmember, I'm really hoping its not. I'll post pictures of it. Maybe its the shock/strut assembly? I dont know, its probably time to send it to a shop? I wouldnt know where to even begin with that..

IllusionX · 07-22-2009, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by eii

Changing the lower control arm didnt help. I see some possible damage on the crossmember, I'm really hoping its not. I'll post pictures of it. Maybe its the shock/strut assembly? I dont know, its probably time to send it to a shop? I wouldnt know where to even begin with that..

if you jack up the car, you would see what is bent, what is not. But i do not understand how you would have reassembled the whole thing without noticing anything bent?

the diagnostic is pretty simple. If you have camber, the problem is probably the control arm or shock/strut assembly or the ball joint. The ball joint comes with the control arm, this has probably already been fixed when you changed yours.

Loren · 07-22-2009, 11:15 AM

A slightly bent subframe can be hard to see.

How far out of spec is the camber and/or toe? Those fancy camber adjustment bolts that a lot of people use to get 2 degrees of negative camber were designed for just this sort of problem. If it's not more than a degree or two out, you can correct it by either using an appropriate smaller diameter camber bolt or just slotting the lower strut bolt hole and adjusting it however you need to.

eTiMaGo · 07-22-2009, 11:27 AM

When I had my accident last year more or less the same happened... Massive toe in and some positive camber. It was indeed the lower control arm, and the bearing in the wheel hub thing was also twisted, so that might be something you could check?

eii · 07-22-2009, 10:05 PM

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eii · 07-26-2009, 08:37 AM

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TheSilkySmooth · 07-26-2009, 10:33 AM

A frame shop is gonna have to look at this - cant tell by the photos. they have pickup points they can measure on the frame parts. They might be able to "pull" some parts straight with a come-a-long. You might have a damaged ball joint and dont want to drive much until its thoroughly check out- this can fracture and you'll loose the wheel off the car!

eii · 07-27-2009, 09:02 AM

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TheSilkySmooth · 07-28-2009, 06:01 PM

I dont think you can "bend" a strut without it being broken or binding. You prob moved the attacment collar up top which is usually adjustable. You could bend the unit body and the subframe tho. Have a frame shop look at it, they can check it and put the new struts in!

Masteraal · 08-16-2009, 05:49 AM

BAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA i did the same thing myself... however ive done a shitload of damage

all prices in AUD and done at the stealership
new struts 900$ steering rack 1700 tyre rods(?) 300$

hope this helps... mines getting repaired now... poor car! thank god for insurance :)

07-12-2009, 07:52 PM	#1
eii Rides canyon walls Drives: 1988 RX7 FC 10th AE Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 503	Hit wheel on wall, +camber/toe-out . __________________ OEM Style Wing Spoiler \| TRD Axle-Back Exhaust \| Megan Lowering Springs (1.5 f/r) \| Simota Carbon Charger Intake \| Python 871XP Alarm System \| Aluminum Sports Pedal \| 17x7 +42mm Enkei J10 Black w/ Silver Lip \| 205/40 Falken Ziex-912 \| NST Lite Crank Pulley Red \| 1ZZ-FE Throttle Body \| AMK Racing Header Last edited by eii; 04-05-2010 at 10:45 AM.

07-12-2009, 07:57 PM	#2
Loren What? Drives: 2007 Yaris LB Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Safety Harbor, FL Posts: 1,006	Most likely a bent lower control arm. Being the bolt-on part between the wheel hub and the subframe, it is designed to sacrifice itself to protect the subframe in just such a situation. __________________ ----------------------- Loren@InvisibleSun.org -----------------------

07-12-2009, 08:23 PM	#3
eii Rides canyon walls Drives: 1988 RX7 FC 10th AE Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 503	. __________________ OEM Style Wing Spoiler \| TRD Axle-Back Exhaust \| Megan Lowering Springs (1.5 f/r) \| Simota Carbon Charger Intake \| Python 871XP Alarm System \| Aluminum Sports Pedal \| 17x7 +42mm Enkei J10 Black w/ Silver Lip \| 205/40 Falken Ziex-912 \| NST Lite Crank Pulley Red \| 1ZZ-FE Throttle Body \| AMK Racing Header Last edited by eii; 04-05-2010 at 10:45 AM.

07-12-2009, 08:44 PM	#4
1NZYaris1 View User's Garage Drives: Yaris Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: New Zealand Posts: 2,566	here is the link too the factory repair manual look under the suspension catagory for spec's and trouble shooting http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1768 or you can PM me your email and i can send it too you . __________________ http://www.microimageonline.com/forums/index.php

07-12-2009, 08:56 PM	#5
Loren What? Drives: 2007 Yaris LB Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Safety Harbor, FL Posts: 1,006	Toe eats tires a lot more than camber does. As long as you don't have more than a degree or so of positive camber, it should be okay to drive for a while. Good luck! __________________ ----------------------- Loren@InvisibleSun.org -----------------------

07-12-2009, 11:35 PM	#6
eii Rides canyon walls Drives: 1988 RX7 FC 10th AE Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 503	. __________________ OEM Style Wing Spoiler \| TRD Axle-Back Exhaust \| Megan Lowering Springs (1.5 f/r) \| Simota Carbon Charger Intake \| Python 871XP Alarm System \| Aluminum Sports Pedal \| 17x7 +42mm Enkei J10 Black w/ Silver Lip \| 205/40 Falken Ziex-912 \| NST Lite Crank Pulley Red \| 1ZZ-FE Throttle Body \| AMK Racing Header Last edited by eii; 04-05-2010 at 10:47 AM.

07-14-2009, 11:10 PM	#7
PhilD424 Drives: Red Yaris Join Date: May 2009 Location: NYC Posts: 80	Broken Axle? __________________ -Phil

07-22-2009, 09:49 AM	#8
eii Rides canyon walls Drives: 1988 RX7 FC 10th AE Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 503	Changing the lower control arm didnt help. I see some possible damage on the crossmember, I'm really hoping its not. I'll post pictures of it. Maybe its the shock/strut assembly? I dont know, its probably time to send it to a shop? I wouldnt know where to even begin with that.. __________________ OEM Style Wing Spoiler \| TRD Axle-Back Exhaust \| Megan Lowering Springs (1.5 f/r) \| Simota Carbon Charger Intake \| Python 871XP Alarm System \| Aluminum Sports Pedal \| 17x7 +42mm Enkei J10 Black w/ Silver Lip \| 205/40 Falken Ziex-912 \| NST Lite Crank Pulley Red \| 1ZZ-FE Throttle Body \| AMK Racing Header

07-22-2009, 11:15 AM	#10
Loren What? Drives: 2007 Yaris LB Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Safety Harbor, FL Posts: 1,006	A slightly bent subframe can be hard to see. How far out of spec is the camber and/or toe? Those fancy camber adjustment bolts that a lot of people use to get 2 degrees of negative camber were designed for just this sort of problem. If it's not more than a degree or two out, you can correct it by either using an appropriate smaller diameter camber bolt or just slotting the lower strut bolt hole and adjusting it however you need to. __________________ ----------------------- Loren@InvisibleSun.org -----------------------

07-22-2009, 11:27 AM	#11
eTiMaGo vroom vroom View User's Garage Drives: lil red 5-door Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bangkok, Thailand Posts: 7,744	When I had my accident last year more or less the same happened... Massive toe in and some positive camber. It was indeed the lower control arm, and the bearing in the wheel hub thing was also twisted, so that might be something you could check? __________________ The price of freedom of religion, or of speech, or of the press, is that we must put up with a good deal of rubbish. - Robert Jackson Bye bye 1NZ...

07-22-2009, 10:05 PM	#12
eii Rides canyon walls Drives: 1988 RX7 FC 10th AE Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 503	. __________________ OEM Style Wing Spoiler \| TRD Axle-Back Exhaust \| Megan Lowering Springs (1.5 f/r) \| Simota Carbon Charger Intake \| Python 871XP Alarm System \| Aluminum Sports Pedal \| 17x7 +42mm Enkei J10 Black w/ Silver Lip \| 205/40 Falken Ziex-912 \| NST Lite Crank Pulley Red \| 1ZZ-FE Throttle Body \| AMK Racing Header Last edited by eii; 04-05-2010 at 10:45 AM.

07-26-2009, 08:37 AM	#13
eii Rides canyon walls Drives: 1988 RX7 FC 10th AE Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 503	. __________________ OEM Style Wing Spoiler \| TRD Axle-Back Exhaust \| Megan Lowering Springs (1.5 f/r) \| Simota Carbon Charger Intake \| Python 871XP Alarm System \| Aluminum Sports Pedal \| 17x7 +42mm Enkei J10 Black w/ Silver Lip \| 205/40 Falken Ziex-912 \| NST Lite Crank Pulley Red \| 1ZZ-FE Throttle Body \| AMK Racing Header Last edited by eii; 04-05-2010 at 10:46 AM.

07-26-2009, 10:33 AM	#14
TheSilkySmooth Drives: 08 3DR 5M Bayou Blue; 09 Fos Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 622	A frame shop is gonna have to look at this - cant tell by the photos. they have pickup points they can measure on the frame parts. They might be able to "pull" some parts straight with a come-a-long. You might have a damaged ball joint and dont want to drive much until its thoroughly check out- this can fracture and you'll loose the wheel off the car! Last edited by TheSilkySmooth; 07-26-2009 at 10:35 AM. Reason: add stuff

07-27-2009, 09:02 AM	#15
eii Rides canyon walls Drives: 1988 RX7 FC 10th AE Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 503	. __________________ OEM Style Wing Spoiler \| TRD Axle-Back Exhaust \| Megan Lowering Springs (1.5 f/r) \| Simota Carbon Charger Intake \| Python 871XP Alarm System \| Aluminum Sports Pedal \| 17x7 +42mm Enkei J10 Black w/ Silver Lip \| 205/40 Falken Ziex-912 \| NST Lite Crank Pulley Red \| 1ZZ-FE Throttle Body \| AMK Racing Header Last edited by eii; 04-05-2010 at 10:47 AM.

07-28-2009, 06:01 PM	#16
TheSilkySmooth Drives: 08 3DR 5M Bayou Blue; 09 Fos Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 622	I dont think you can "bend" a strut without it being broken or binding. You prob moved the attacment collar up top which is usually adjustable. You could bend the unit body and the subframe tho. Have a frame shop look at it, they can check it and put the new struts in!

08-16-2009, 05:49 AM	#17
Masteraal View User's Garage Drives: Black Yaris YRS 3dr Manual Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 191	BAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA i did the same thing myself... however ive done a shitload of damage all prices in AUD and done at the stealership new struts 900$ steering rack 1700 tyre rods(?) 300$ hope this helps... mines getting repaired now... poor car! thank god for insurance :)

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