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xnamerxx · 12-17-2010, 05:37 PM

Have you ever heard of something called ABS ice mode?

The ABS is working exactly as intended, when your applying the brakes it detects that the brakes are locking tires up and try's to compensate by getting the car to slow down. If there were no abs there may have been a accident from the ice you may or may not have seen. Tires play a huge roll in how a car feels on ice.
With abs pumping the pedal was the wrong thing to do. It has a motor and is already doing that for you by you pumping the pedal your giving the computer more instructions than it needs to slow the car down thus making its job more difficult.

http://www.ehow.com/about_6162289_do...ice-snow_.html

Its not specific to any manufacture but its the abs trying to save you when your stuck in ice and it sounds exactly like that's what your experiencing. If you choose to drive in the snow and let yourself get into limit space situations you really need to evaluate the way you drive as a accident is inevitable.

I may not have your 25 years of experience but I do have 9 years and over 300k miles behind my belt and to this day I have only been in 1 accident that was due to my stupidity.

I should rephrase the word stomped I should say abruptly pressed the brakes. The more rapid you make your inputs on the car the less actual grip you have from the tires. Its like shooting a rifle if you want to get the most from it you need to be smooth. The smoother your inputs are ie not quick and jerky the better the car will react.
The smoother you can make your inputs the less this will affect you.

"...any transfer of load from one tire of a pair to the other reduces the total tractive capacity of the pair."
-Carroll Smith

Flipper_1938 · 12-18-2010, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by PK198105

Fuck You! I Quit.

Have fun driving your ABS equiped cars in the snow!

Kal-El · 12-18-2010, 10:46 AM

^^

.Kevin. · 12-18-2010, 01:10 PM

I live in Canada, same gear shit happens.

Dumbasses ever wonder if its uh I don't know? SNOW in the damn wheel well geeze. Just pump the breaks or stop driving like it's a truck you anus nothings wrong with the car, it's a great car.

p123456789 · 01-12-2011, 07:55 PM

I'm glad mine doesnt have abs my car has like no options its basicly an engine and trans lol, it does have the rare optional alloy wheels.

cherry tomato · 01-13-2011, 11:29 PM

Most people don't have experience driving their ABS equipped vehicles when there is limited or lessened traction so they get suprised and think it is not functioning properly when the vehicle doesn't stop as quickly as they think it should. ABS reduces the brakeline pressure when it senses the wheel slowing down to quickly. If there is little traction, such as snow, ice, dirt roads, this is going to happen with hardly any pressure needed on the break pedal. It does this so the tires keep rolling and you can maintain directional control.
I drive alot off-road in many different trucks and have found that ABS will increase the stopping distance as compared to trucks without it because it doesn't allow you to skid the wheels. It can be scary at times because it seems like the brakes don't work. It would be nice if they could be turned off for certain situations, but due to legal issues, I understand why manufactures don't do this.

auxmike · 01-13-2011, 11:46 PM

I hate ABS!
Try going downhill on an asphalt road with built up sand from the snowplow's spreader. My ABS would NOT allow my car to stop! Had to use the handbrake to to avoid slamming into my friend's Fiero in front of me.
This was a '93 Saturn, BTW.....

41magmag41 · 01-14-2011, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Flipper_1938

!

troll

echaru · 01-14-2011, 11:52 AM

Yeah, the ABS is troublesome. I got into a accident on Monday because of it. A car in front of be braked and I braked. There was some ice on the road, so the ABS turned on and stop my car too quickly. The car behind me didn't have ABS and I got rear ended. I was pissed, I just bought my car less than 3 months ago. My car is now officially broken in.

Zaphod · 01-14-2011, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by echaru

Yeah, the ABS is troublesome. I got into a accident on Monday because of it. A car in front of be braked and I braked. There was some ice on the road, so the ABS turned on and stop my car too quickly. The car behind me didn't have ABS and I got rear ended. I was pissed, I just bought my car less than 3 months ago. My car is now officially broken in.

I hope you are just being sarcastic.

You do realize that you could have taken your foot off the brake to stop slower, right? If you had to stop that fast to avoid an accident, you were too close to the car in front of you, because even if you can stop as fast the car in front of you, the guy behind you may not be able to as you just observed. If you hadn't mashed the brakes, they wouldn't have locked up and the ABS wouldn't have kicked on in the 1st place.

Ok, here's the deal ... in icy conditions you leave yourself lots of room. You always stay aware of who's around you, how close they are to you and even whether or not they're paying attention themselves.

In any weather, you want to know who's eating hamburgers, fries or picking their nose, whose texting, or yacking on their phones, who's fidgeting with their GPS system, who's racing each other, etc ... You want to be able to predict the accidents before they occur so that the fools don't involve your vehicle with their accidents. You should drive to never need brakes at all, control the traffic behind you and always try to plan for a path to swerve into a different lane, shoulder of the road, etc ... Kind of like if you're flying a plane and always looking for that place to land in an emergency. Finally, you should always be scanning way ahead in traffic with a good idea of who's doing what.

echaru · 01-20-2011, 03:49 PM

Yes I was being sarcastic. Any how, I had plenty of space in front of me, but the car behind me was just being an ass because I drove a Yaris. You know, smaller car smaller engine, if you tailgate them the car will go faster. And also, it is impossible to swerve in to shoulder lane when you are at a complete stop.

Anyway, I wasn't eating hamburgers, fries, or picking my nose or anything. I was reading a book, watching youtube on my Android, and doing my homework at the same time. So it wasn't anything dangerous. Next time I won't use the brake at all, I'll use my Jedi force to control the traffic.

12-18-2010, 01:10 PM	#40
.Kevin. I ain't even mad Drives: 2010 1E7 Toyota Yaris Sedan Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Prince George, BC. Canada Posts: 954	I live in Canada, same gear shit happens. Dumbasses ever wonder if its uh I don't know? SNOW in the damn wheel well geeze. Just pump the breaks or stop driving like it's a truck you anus nothings wrong with the car, it's a great car. __________________

01-13-2011, 11:46 PM	#43
auxmike Drives: 2008 HB, A/T, Power W/L/M Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: LI, New Yawk Posts: 2,063	I hate ABS! Try going downhill on an asphalt road with built up sand from the snowplow's spreader. My ABS would NOT allow my car to stop! Had to use the handbrake to to avoid slamming into my friend's Fiero in front of me. This was a '93 Saturn, BTW..... __________________ Never take eyes off opponent - Bruce Lee

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12-17-2010, 05:37 PM	#37
xnamerxx 0-60 in slow Drives: light blue liftback Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: so cal Posts: 926	Have you ever heard of something called ABS ice mode? The ABS is working exactly as intended, when your applying the brakes it detects that the brakes are locking tires up and try's to compensate by getting the car to slow down. If there were no abs there may have been a accident from the ice you may or may not have seen. Tires play a huge roll in how a car feels on ice. With abs pumping the pedal was the wrong thing to do. It has a motor and is already doing that for you by you pumping the pedal your giving the computer more instructions than it needs to slow the car down thus making its job more difficult. http://www.ehow.com/about_6162289_do...ice-snow_.html Its not specific to any manufacture but its the abs trying to save you when your stuck in ice and it sounds exactly like that's what your experiencing. If you choose to drive in the snow and let yourself get into limit space situations you really need to evaluate the way you drive as a accident is inevitable. I may not have your 25 years of experience but I do have 9 years and over 300k miles behind my belt and to this day I have only been in 1 accident that was due to my stupidity. I should rephrase the word stomped I should say abruptly pressed the brakes. The more rapid you make your inputs on the car the less actual grip you have from the tires. Its like shooting a rifle if you want to get the most from it you need to be smooth. The smoother your inputs are ie not quick and jerky the better the car will react. The smoother you can make your inputs the less this will affect you. "...any transfer of load from one tire of a pair to the other reduces the total tractive capacity of the pair." -Carroll Smith

12-18-2010, 10:46 AM	#39
Kal-El Drives: 07 Yaris S Sedan 5-Speed Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 2,179	^^

01-12-2011, 07:55 PM	#41
p123456789 Drives: 07 lb jeep tj Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: dirty south Posts: 126	I'm glad mine doesnt have abs my car has like no options its basicly an engine and trans lol, it does have the rare optional alloy wheels.

01-13-2011, 11:29 PM	#42
cherry tomato Drives: 2010 yaris Join Date: May 2010 Location: phoenix Posts: 11	Most people don't have experience driving their ABS equipped vehicles when there is limited or lessened traction so they get suprised and think it is not functioning properly when the vehicle doesn't stop as quickly as they think it should. ABS reduces the brakeline pressure when it senses the wheel slowing down to quickly. If there is little traction, such as snow, ice, dirt roads, this is going to happen with hardly any pressure needed on the break pedal. It does this so the tires keep rolling and you can maintain directional control. I drive alot off-road in many different trucks and have found that ABS will increase the stopping distance as compared to trucks without it because it doesn't allow you to skid the wheels. It can be scary at times because it seems like the brakes don't work. It would be nice if they could be turned off for certain situations, but due to legal issues, I understand why manufactures don't do this.

01-14-2011, 11:52 AM	#45
echaru PsychMobile Drives: '10 Yaris 5Dr Blazing Blue Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Ohioan Posts: 60	Yeah, the ABS is troublesome. I got into a accident on Monday because of it. A car in front of be braked and I braked. There was some ice on the road, so the ABS turned on and stop my car too quickly. The car behind me didn't have ABS and I got rear ended. I was pissed, I just bought my car less than 3 months ago. My car is now officially broken in.

01-20-2011, 03:49 PM	#47
echaru PsychMobile Drives: '10 Yaris 5Dr Blazing Blue Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Ohioan Posts: 60	Yes I was being sarcastic. Any how, I had plenty of space in front of me, but the car behind me was just being an ass because I drove a Yaris. You know, smaller car smaller engine, if you tailgate them the car will go faster. And also, it is impossible to swerve in to shoulder lane when you are at a complete stop. Anyway, I wasn't eating hamburgers, fries, or picking my nose or anything. I was reading a book, watching youtube on my Android, and doing my homework at the same time. So it wasn't anything dangerous. Next time I won't use the brake at all, I'll use my Jedi force to control the traffic.