Yaris Sedan Deadening and Sound system upgrade

[sqcomp]

Are touring tires with a taller wall an option for you?

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by sqcomp

Are touring tires with a taller wall an option for you?

Yes if they are on my OEM 15" wheels.

It's a matter of Looks vs comfort, original size are skinny tires and getting touring, fuel efficiency tires work best but don't look as good, my black wheels are 16" and choosing a good tire works ok with comfort and looks, but 195/50/16 is not a very common size.

The General Exclaim UHP I've been using are great! very quiet, good grip, good looking, I have so far 40K miles on them and I guess I still can get another 10K or 15K miles, But TireRack doesn't carry any more (that size). So maybe I'll be looking at some thing like ExtremeContact DWS, or General G-MAX AS-03, at this point I don't know... time will tell (o:





D.

[sqcomp]

This is where I step back. I don't even have aftermarket rims on mine yet. I'm still waiting to lower it...happening this week sometime...

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by sqcomp

This is where I step back. I don't even have aftermarket rims on mine yet. I'm still waiting to lower it...happening this week sometime...

You going to fall in love with your Yaris's low ride, I beg you to get a sway bar, have Garm send you one, even the 19mm is awesome! This combination transforms a Yaris into a little race car (at corners and ramps) very stable on windy days at highway speeds.

The only problem going low and getting wheels is the offset, most of the time you could end up with rubbing problems, but there are a couple of ways to be safe.

D.

[sqcomp]

I just put on the Eibach Pro kit this evening. It's going to be interesting to feel the car settle in. Already I can feel and see the car NOT lurch forward under braking and with the gear changes. What suprised me was how simply Toyota made the rear spring setup. Basically just a "cup" on the lower axle that presses the rear spring onto the unibody. literally two minutes per side on the rear.

I'll look at that sway bar. It was one of the first things I took off after the wheels...the factory bar that is.

[sickpuppy1]

Either size sway bar. If its mostly just day to day, then the 19 is good. Its waht I have on my sedan. But I do wish I had gotten the 23mm alot of times. I like to "hook up" around corner and I think the 23mm would have given me the little extra I want at times. Without sacrificing ride too. I still need to get springs under mine also....

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by sqcomp

I'll look at that sway bar. It was one of the first things I took off after the wheels...the factory bar that is.

There is no factory bar... LOL

D.

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by sickpuppy1

Either size sway bar. If its mostly just day to day, then the 19 is good. Its waht I have on my sedan. But I do wish I had gotten the 23mm alot of times. I like to "hook up" around corner and I think the 23mm would have given me the little extra I want at times. Without sacrificing ride too. I still need to get springs under mine also....

X 2... me too on the 23mm one day I will upgrade!

I have 19mm and love it,

It's the combination of lowering springs + sway bar that gives you that sport feel.

D.

[alfredyeez]

Originally Posted by derickveliz2

Some other info about deadening... NOTE: this is some information I saved trying to help another car-audio enthusiast, you can take this as an advice, but not like a book, many people have their own opinions and we respect them all.

Noise comes from the road, tires, engine. Focus on the floor, wheel wells, fire wall!

Yes treat the doors like speaker boxes, you will need some extra mat to give the metal some mass and ccfoam to prevent ratles + MLV to block road noise.

Next: (measure in square feet)
-doors
-floor
-wheel wells
-quarter panels

Basic rule of thumb you only need 25% of a flat area to cover with Tiles, these are expensive and it's good to spend the money here, for example, a door is 4 sf you need 1 sf of tiles

CLD Tiles I recommend you buy them with Don Sambroke or Second Skin

LINK 1

LINK 2

also buy at least 2 ropes of butyl LINK 3

Glue for MLV and heavy duty velcro in LINK 4

You can also buy 1/4" ccfoam from Don in LINK 5

now all these is what you need for deadening your car for road noise, and rattles...

but for example the doors you will need more mass from any kind of MAT (don't use CLD Tiles too expensive), you can buy any one you like, I got mine from Rick at RAAMAT it's cheap and works OK, LINK 6

so lets say you have 100 sf of area to work with (I did 100 so you can come up with a percentage)

100 sf of MLV (this one you can buy cheap here LINK 7 or buy from Don or Second skin, but it's a little bit more expensive.

100 sf of ccfoam, get 50sf of 1/8" and 50sf of 1/4" Don sells you the best one in this class, Second Skin is a little bit more expensive. You can also get this stuff from Rick but it's very thin but sticks like a steaker LINK 9

25 sf of CLD Tiles from LINK 1

and 50 sf of any MAT you like, in my case from RAAMAT ** I was just checking with raamaudio and they don't carry any more the cheap stuff, try to call Rick and ask him if he still carries the old RAAMmat I . the new stuff is here LINK 8

or if you want to get all at once and save on shipping call Don Sambroke and tell him my name (Derick Veliz) [I did this at the beginning then I needed some extra stuff and I got it at LINK 7



D.

Nice job on your car!!!

Been following your posts and noticed that you have not used any 3M Thinsulate™ Acoustic that's also available from Don.

Any particular reason?

Thanks

[sqcomp]

Thinsulate Acoustic? Interesting. 3M is a reputable name...

Who is Don Smabroke?

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by sqcomp

Thinsulate Acoustic? Interesting. 3M is a reputable name...

Who is Don Smabroke?

Don is the guy who taught me how to kill road noise at the beginning of my thread, this is his website:

LINK

D.

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by alfredyeez

Nice job on your car!!!

Been following your posts and noticed that you have not used any 3M Thinsulate™ Acoustic that's also available from Don.

Any particular reason?

Thanks

It just came into the market, back then Don recommended me to use a heat barrier (see below) the 3M Thinsulate Acoustic is brand new and works as a combination of a heat barrier plus some CCFoam, that reflects heat and absorbs noise... but it's not a "sound barrier" it self Like MLV!

I used the a radiant barrier most of the floor where the exhaust is under to protect the amps from heat and under the dashboard to protect the HU.


See POST # 263 and 295 for more information below...

D.
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POST #263

Originally Posted by Herbicidal

I was describing to my wife all the different layers of sound deadening material you're doing and she said it sounds like you're creating a mobil sensory deprivation chamber!

I wish! but sounds COOL ..............




and Talking about layers I just added one MORE!

Radiant Barrier

I'm putting this along the center channel and other areas after applying CLD Tiles and before CCF adn MLV, I've driving with no center console, bare metal and I can tell it gets HOT! the other day I had a Hershey chocolate about 4 inches above, and it melted!

I guess this heat going inside the cabin it's good in winter, but not good in summer, any way one more barrier to make the noisy work harder!



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POST #295

Originally Posted by talnlnky

I'm actually contemplating foregoing any mat on the firewall, and just doing MLV alone.
40sq ft of MLV Then around 25sq ft of mat, and 4 CLD's. that would really cut my costs. I'd be down to around $150, before I was over $200.

OEM deadening material





Taking a break!




Clean!





2 CLD Tiles.





Some of that Radiant heat insulator...




1/4" CCF and ready for MLV





With no MLV to work last night I started playing around with the amps, the 3rd amp will be here soon, maybe I'll put it under the passengers seat? or in line with these 2. I didn't realize they where so big and heavy

"I just added this picture as a reference for the MLV layer on top:"










I would use it now, I don't see why not?

D.

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by alfredyeez

Nice job on your car!!!

Thank you!

D.

[alfredyeez]

Thanks for the clarification on Thinsulate.

Will continue to follow the development of your car

[patm]

Who is Don Smabroke?

He sells hot dogs at Fenway Park

[sqcomp]

Here is an iPhone take on uncle Larry's Woolcot's Buick presentation from Chris LaCombe:



http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/w...p/081e5e7e.mp4

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by sqcomp

Here is an iPhone take on uncle Larry's Woolcot's Buick presentation from Chris LaCombe:

Thanks! that's an awesome install!

ok, here I go:

1 seat or 2 seats? (looks like a 2 seat)

Install finish looks awesome but how it sounds?

The music in the background... I recognize it!

B. Regal are one of my favorite cars in my personal list.

I really would like to sit in a car like that, I need some thing to compare at, (sound quality speaking) and set up my goals.

D.

[derickveliz2]

Sqcomp... I have a question on the P99

on the specs it says:

"31-band equalizer with independent right and left channel adjustments" SOURCE

how do I adjust Right and Left EQ for each side?

D.